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And you can't get consent from an animal. That's why is is animal abuse. I think this part of the topic has gone on too long, and I don't think I have anything to add.
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Ok so you have nothing to add but I do. Whether consent is given or not is irrelevant. The fact that sex goes on and a person feels those urges makes that person partial to that type of sexuality. Therefore that person can a) use will power and over power those urges. b) go ahead with them.
It is a choice.
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Wow. I really did miss the point because I was talking about how having sex with an animal isn't the same as consentual sex between adults, and you are talking about love.
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Talking about relations means you have something like love. Any real relationship is based on more than just sex. I am talking about people not needing to have sex with the same gender. They can be friends and leave it at that, if they want to follow certain principles. They can overcome their urges and fall in love with the opposite gender. Love has nothing to do with sexuality.
This is why it is valid to compare different types of sexual behaviour to homosexuality and use the same arguments, since ultimately it is a choice of what you want to do depending on what principles you follow.
Really they can do what they want but I am arguing from my perspective.
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I love it when you are given a realistic hypothetical situation you can't answer the question. YOU are the one that said being placed in a home with a gay couple gives adopted childred "disadvantages". I gave you two potential couples wanting to adopt and ask "Which gives the child more disadvantages?" Why is that so difficult?
I can answer for myself. If I could choose, I would choose a loving and financially stable gay couple to be my adopted parents long before a financially struggling and time constrained man and woman. Any day of the week.
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What do you mean I didn't want to answer the question and it's difficult. Wasn't it obvious that I thought none of the choices you mentioned are acceptable? Are you saying those types of couples are the only ones that exist in this world?
This is why I said that obviously the suitability of a family is assessed before they are given care of a child. If both of those couples are unsuitable, the child wouldn't be given them!
The question you've posed is done so it can satisfy your own point. It has nothing to do with a real world situation, which is what i'm referring to.
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How is the financially stable lesbian couple "hopelessly selfish"?
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It is hopelessly selfish because they chose to be partners in a way where they can not naturally conceive. Why should they be given the care of children just to satisfy their maternal longings?
The child needs a father and a mother and therefore it is hopelessly selfish of homosexual couples to expect to have children as well as be in the relationship of their choosing.
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I am not going to change your mind about homosexuality, ivi, so I wouldn't be so silly as to even try.
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Oh, I thought you were going to try
