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I was never talking about going back trough the past couple of centuries, I am talk about now, in my country. I'm just saying what is happening here, in the debate that I have been following and been a part of for years now. It's not something that you would be likely to learn in International Politics, or at any foreign university.
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If it's not discussed at university then I'm not interested in the discussion. It is beneath me as it is nothing but paranoid scapegoating in my opinion. Some people do something you disagree with and you blame feminism... or rather you misapply the term to describe these people.
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I couldn't give a toss about what you believe, it's the way it is. A few rotten apples have used the feminist movement to voice some very unfeminist opinions. Like Enkidu22 said, Sweden has come very far when it comes to the gender gap, some people are now pushing it too far, where it turns into a pro-female movement, and are therefor giving it a bad name. I'm not saying I like it, but it's the way it is, and it's probably going to happen in other places as well. Feminism is still used, and the fight for equality is still going on, but everyone here is assumed to be a feminist now, in the sense that you want equal rights. Anyone openly calling themselves feminists, is more likely to be pro-women.
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Eh? Enkidu actually sided with me and she is from your country. As I said before.... if you're going to insist on being stupid and keep misapplying terms then fine. If you think that anyone in academic circles is going to take you seriously then think again.
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Perhaps, I still prefer when you don't divide prejudice into different categories. That is automatically going to mean that the different labels are valued differently. A white guy who doesn't know any black guys, but has a little daughter could be interested in the gender question, and would be more likely to not care about the race question. If he has to understand prejudice as a whole to help understand the prejudice against his daughter, I believe that would be better.
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It''s only divided into categories for CONVENIENCE. Other than that feminism exists WITHIN egalitarianism and humanism. If you were an authority on the English language and had the power to change terms and their definitions then I might listen to you. You might as well argue that Muslim=Terrorist and that National Health Care=Socialism. Because that's what you look like to me from here. Ignorant.
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That might be what you want it to be, it's not. It's not about making sure that two equally qualified people have the same chance regardless of gender. It's about having a fairer distribution of women and different races, in higher positions(any position), so it isn't just a bunch of old white guys calling all the shots. What you are talking about is fighting discrimination, that's not what affirmative action is.
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I thought that you agreed it was a necessity? I'm not arguing that it's desirable. And AA isn't a tool to tackle discrimination on it's own. It's part of a wider effort implemented by various governments in various ways around the world.
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That might be the case in other countries and some academic circles, I don't know. I can really only speak about Sweden, and here people have been pushing it too far. Just an example:
A famous Swedish journalist/author wrote a book about 15 years ago, describing what she called a true story, about a man who was abusing his wife. In recent months, it has come out that most of the story was made up(similar to the James Frey-story). What happened then was that the author came out, she and a few other feminists claimed that this was only a witch hunt because the author was a blond woman. When, in fact, it was a woman who outed her, and most of her harshest critics were women.
This is an example of how some people are using feminism to victimize themselves, and hide behind. "If something goes wrong, it's the big bad men who are out to get me". This gives feminism bad a rep.
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Whatever... I don't know the full story but this isn't really relevant. Again you might as well say that all Muslims are terrorists because some of them insist on using their religion to motivate themselves into flying planes into buildings.
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A fight for equality is constant fight, that is always needed. Some people have just lost track of what they are fighting for, and have started kicking in open doors to find a reason.
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Maybe... But the dictionary definition doesn't change and I won't let you or the so-called extremists hijack the term (and the same goes for Islam/Muslim and Public services). Fortunately I have Academia on my side.