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10-02-2010, 11:33 AM

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How can people have a long, drawn-out argument about the difference between 'into' & 'to'? I'm sure it's very pleasing to Yuri to have to go through screeds &.....(cut)
*eyebrow raise* Well if THAT isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
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ah well thats part of life's rich tapestry.
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*eyebrow raise* Well if THAT isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
I've never understood that phrase. lol. I believe its about being hypocritical or something, aye?


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10-02-2010, 01:09 PM

That's most likely correct. Now can we get this thread back to Yuri learning about proper English usage instead of native speakers arguing over minutiae?


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10-02-2010, 02:17 PM

I'm trying to get on with it. I'm not here to get into deep discussion on English poetry or that. I'm here solely to help Yuri on her quest with English. But its rude not to answer people, so I respond to others. Anyway, I'm digressing. Please continue, Yuri


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10-02-2010, 02:22 PM

well maybe lessons can be learnt from our arguments!!!

So many are so ridiculously pedantic!!Language is living and constantly changing. Poety is an excellent way to learn English anyway.

It gets so tiresome being so Petty all the time.
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good luck with your B.A. what do you intend to do with it?
Teaching (in the US and abroad), writing, translation~It's gonna be fun! ^_^

And in reply to Yeats, I must also post a poem, which has many grammatical errors, can you spot them? (^_^)

The Tyger by William Blake

TYGER, tyger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And, when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?

What the hammer? What the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? What dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did He smile His work to see?
Did He who made the lamb make thee?

Tyger, tyger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

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@Yuri - When you move 'to' a country, it implies a person is going to a different country. An example is me: "I want to move to Japan." The 'to' in red, is the one that shows the action of moving. If you move 'into' a country, it implies moving into the country by force. Example: "Adolf Hitler moved into Poland". And if you move in a country, it suggests you are moving around in the same country. Example: "I moved in Japan, from Nagoya to Akita." Jambo.



this is all so laughable. why should moving into a country be seen to be done by force? Thats bizarre.

We stay in a country, we are within the country we have entered into a country. However, enjoy yourselves folks--

now let somebody write a ditty about this farcical situation.
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10-02-2010, 05:25 PM

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@Yuri - When you move 'to' a country, it implies a person is going to a different country. An example is me: "I want to move to Japan." The 'to' in red, is the one that shows the action of moving. If you move 'into' a country, it implies moving into the country by force. Example: "Adolf Hitler moved into Poland". And if you move in a country, it suggests you are moving around in the same country. Example: "I moved in Japan, from Nagoya to Akita." Jambo.



this is all so laughable. why should moving into a country be seen to be done by force? Thats bizarre.

We stay in a country, we are within the country we have entered into a country. However, enjoy yourselves folks--

now let somebody write a ditty about this farcical situation.
Glad to provide a bit of humour, dogsbody (-_-") That is how I interpret to use of "into a country". It will rarely be used, that phrase. I was providing simple examples that Yuri would understand, as opposed to poems by Keats and the like


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10-02-2010, 06:00 PM

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That's most likely correct. Now can we get this thread back to Yuri learning about proper English usage instead of native speakers arguing over minutiae?
Urgh, I agree; the threads gotten really messy. This is why I avoid adding a second correction to anything after someone's given a correction, it just gets confusing, but really, is it fair to sit back and let Yuri be told something that's not actually 'proper English usage'? Ok, it's only a small thing, but in English the little things like prepositions and articles are difficult for non-native speakers to get their heads around and can be pretty important. It's subtle, but a preposition can change the meaning or emphasis of a whole sentence, just like swapping は and が around can in Japanese.

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