evil or good side which would you choose?

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

I agree with you to a point. However, I disagree with the argument that there is no such thing as 'Good' and 'Evil'. Although perspective may greatly influence your definition of either... Such sides as 'Good' and 'Evil' do exist in life.

Take a murder, for example (*warning gruesome content below*): A man kidnaps a young boy and takes him out to sea on an old boat. Once confident in the privacy of his location, he then sexually assaults the boy, and, afterwards, stabs him to death.

Now let's take it a step further to better express my point (*warning gruesome content below*):

The man then takes the body of the lifeless child and beheads him... Eventually dumping his head and headless corpse in seperate locations of the ocean.

Note: Such things have happened in history -- In some cases, even more gory.

He - according to you - is not 'evil'. It is merely a matter of perspective; "There is no such thing as evil."

*My "example murder" does have a lot of flaws, and is somewhat vague. If it is too difficult to understand, please, replace my example with any other malicious homicide that you can recall, or think of.

Perspective may determine who you consider your enemy (and/or your opposite), but it does not disprove the existence of 'Good' and 'Evil'.

'Good' and 'Evil' does exist.

Okay, in replacing event I am now thinking of a little girl, 7 years, who was raped and strangled and thrown into a gutter.

It is hard to consider such an event as not evil, as it is hard wired into our brain. But evil is not a physical thing. It is not a real thing. Think about it. In no place is evil actually physical or real. It is a concept. A part of the brain. One stone crashing the walls of another and creating a vacant echo, nothing more. Now, we can pull up an event, such as what we both mentioned, in which 95% of the world would consider to be evil. Or we can get other events, which some consider to be just as evil, but others consider to be plausible as okay. I give one, when Vietnam was napalmed and children had their skin burnt off with fire. I would class it as just as evil as what we both mentioned, but not everyone agrees that the US is evil. From this we can see evil is an entirly perspective idea, and not a real thing. It can never be prcise or determined. And is always dependant. For example, one person might not consider the sex with the little girl as an actual evil thing, but only the strangle part as evil, or the rape part as evil, but other people will just say sex with children is evil no matter what. Or say that the US bombing was evil, but necessary, so it becomes okay, or lesser evil. It is very obvious now that evil is not real, it is a shape shifting idea manifested by man for entirly different purposes other than defining a just path in life. In fact, I would say it is there for the complete opposite.

But now you see, no? There are different levels of physical action, aggression, brutality, crimson, and so on, but the actual concept behind these actions are so hazy they become classed as okay given circumstance and situation. Meaning, by your sense, it is not actually the rape of that boy that was evil, it was the idea in the mans head. And you are saying crime is not determined by the action, but by the reason behind it, or lack of. Belief in these ideas is going to seal the fate of millions were you a man of power. I think I know which of the 2 makes up evil. The one that is real. In which I dont call evil, it is just what it is, action. Ideas are illusions.

[killrb323]

Niether, if you choose a side then you can't exploit the other Never choose sides unless it directly affects you, life is about truth, not sides in a battle.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Okay, in replacing event I am now thinking of a little girl, 7 years, who was raped and strangled and thrown into a gutter.

It is hard to consider such an event as not evil, as it is hard wired into our brain. But evil is not a physical thing. It is not a real thing. Think about it. In no place is evil actually physical or real. It is a concept. A part of the brain. One stone crashing the walls of another and creating a vacant echo, nothing more. Now, we can pull up an event, such as what we both mentioned, in which 95% of the world would consider to be evil. Or we can get other events, which some consider to be just as evil, but others consider to be plausible as okay. I give one, when Vietnam was napalmed and children had their skin burnt off with fire. I would class it as just as evil as what we both mentioned, but not everyone agrees that the US is evil. From this we cansee evil is an entirly perspective idea, and not a real thing. It can never be prcise or determined. And is always dependant. For example, one person might not consider the sex with the little girl as an actual evil thing, but only the strangle part as evil, or the rape part as evil, but other people will just say sex with children is evil no matter what. Or say that the US bombing was evil, but necessary, so it becomes okay, or lesser evil. It is very obvious now that evil is not real, it is a shape shifting idea manifested by man for entirly different purposes other than defining a just path in life. In fact, I would say it is there for the complete opposite.

But now you see, no? There are different levels of physical action, aggression, brutality, crimson, and so on, but the actual concept behind these actions are so hazy they become classed as okay given circumstance and situation. Meaning, by your sense, it is not actually the rape of that boy that was evil, it was the idea in the mans head. And you are saying crime is not determined by the action, but by the reason behind it, or lack of. Belief in these ideas is going to seal the fate of millions were you a man of power. I think I know which of the 2 makes up evil. The one that is real. In which I dont call evil, it is just what it is, action. Ideas are illusions.

I understand what you're trying to say... And I wasn't denying the fact that our definitions of 'Evil' and 'Good' may vary depending on our different perspectives.

Personally, I agree with you on most of that argument... However, there is 'What we may view as 'Evil' and there is 'What is 'Evil'. (If that makes sense)

'What we may view as 'Evil'' is, like you said, based upon our own opinions. Your enemy is 'Evil' to you; You are 'Evil' to your enemy... It is a matter of perspective, determining who is 'Evil' and who is not.

However, 'What is 'Evil'' describes the ultimate truth. We can debate over which side is 'Evil', but the truth may be that one is more evil than the other... Or even that both or neither are evil.
It is that Truth that we can smother with illusions, but will exist regardless.

To your argument that evil does not exist... I simply don't agree. I believe it does. It is the matter of recognizing and identifying it without bias that is the problem.

[SHELKE17]

I would choose EVIL becuase honestly evil takes all

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

However, 'What is 'Evil'' describes the ultimate truth. We can debate over which side is 'Evil', but the truth may be that one is more evil than the other... Or even that both or neither are evil.

Ah, the plot thickens. The ultimate truth... Of course, why didn't I see it. And so begins a campaign of blood lust and hatred towards those who do not adhere to this ultimate truth, which will eventually consume so many, and create so many crimes from you that it will ecplipse the reality of your words. And you will end up slaughtering woman and even children with fire and acid so long as it adheres to your greater good, and ultimate truth...

I was so mistaken, how could I not see this...

Kun bai yip mae mng.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Ah, the plot thickens. The ultimate truth... Of course, why didn't I see it. And so begins a campaign of blood lust and hatred towards those who do not adhere to this ultimate truth, which will eventually consume so many, and create so many crimes from you that it will ecplipse the reality of your words. And you will end up slaughtering woman and even children with fire and acid so long as it adheres to your greater good, and ultimate truth...

I was so mistaken, how could I not see this...

Kun bai yip mae mng.

Lol, what's with that reaction? If you assume I'm referring to religion, you're dead wrong.

Let me ask you this: In regards to our hypothetical murder... Is the man (guilty of kidnapping, rape, and murder) evil to you?

And no need to be sarcastic, I'm trying to have a respectful debate here.
If I'm wrong, explain why; otherwise, don't waste my time with cheap remarks.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

Lol, what's with that reaction? If you assume I'm referring to religion, you're dead wrong.

I never assumed you were religous.

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

Let me ask you this: In regards to our hypothetical murder... Is the man (guilty of kidnapping, rape, and murder) evil to you?

No. He is not. Just a crimson bastard. My character would not allow me to tolerate such aggression channelled at a little girl, and I would have him killed instead. But slapping a title of righteous on my actions is stupid. Evil exists only within the skulls of men. It is not real, and is different in every mans eyes from the last.

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

And no need to be sarcastic, I'm trying to have a respectful debate here.
If I'm wrong, explain why; otherwise, don't waste my time with cheap remarks.

It is just what you said is so typical, and frankly, American. Where are you from?
It is always the ones who believe in a greater good or higher truth that kill the most people, or let their country do it on their behalf. Pitiful.

[Nki]

I´ve been dancing in both sides, Dance from sunrising to sunrise... theres not such things as Good or Evil in my mind, just a dance beetwin light and dark

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I never assumed you were religous.

No. He is not. Just a crimson bastard. My character would not allow me to tolerate such aggression channelled at a little girl, and I would have him killed instead. But slapping a title of righteous on my actions is stupid. Evil exists only within the skulls of men. It is not real, and is different in every mans eyes from the last.

It is just what you said is so typical, and frankly, American. Where are you from?
It is always the ones who believe in a greater good or higher truth that kill the most people, or let their country do it on their behalf. Pitiful.

And so enters the Politics... Why am I not surprised.

If it's "pitiful" of me to believe in a greater good, then so be it; I am "pitiful".

[Heather]

i like the evil side... im a bad girl, lol.