evil or good side which would you choose?

[Cyasarin]

Well I'm a little more good than evil because the way I was raised and everybody is already saying "evil" so...good! ^^

[dynamite5]

evil i guess

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

And so enters the Politics... Why am I not surprised.

If it's "pitiful" of me to believe in a greater good, then so be it; I am "pitiful".

It is just an assumption based on character. Not politics. I was just wondering for my own curiosity. But you concede now, you are your own evil, in that you could also murder that same boy you are thinking of, given the reason and justification behind it idolizes your greater good, no? Is that not seem pitiful and messed up to you?

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

It is just an assumption based on character. Not politics. I was just wondering for my own curiosity. But you concede now, you are your own evil, in that you could also murder that same boy you are thinking of, given the reason and justification behind it idolizes your greater good, no? Is that not seem pitiful and messed up to you?

I see what you're saying - don't get me wrong - but I'm afraid I'm not convinced.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

I agree with you to a point. However, I disagree with the argument that there is no such thing as 'Good' and 'Evil'. Although perspective may greatly influence your definition of either... Such sides as 'Good' and 'Evil' do exist in life.

Take a murder, for example (*warning gruesome content below*): A man kidnaps a young boy and takes him out to sea on an old boat. Once confident in the privacy of his location, he then sexually assaults the boy, and, afterwards, stabs him to death.

Now let's take it a step further to better express my point (*warning gruesome content below*):

The man then takes the body of the lifeless child and beheads him... Eventually dumping his head and headless corpse in seperate locations of the ocean.

Note: Such things have happened in history -- In some cases, even more gory.

He - according to you - is not 'evil'. It is merely a matter of perspective; "There is no such thing as evil."

*My "example murder" does have a lot of flaws, and is somewhat vague. If it is too difficult to understand, please, replace my example with any other malicious homicide that you can recall, or think of.

Perspective may determine who you consider your enemy (and/or your opposite), but it does not disprove the existence of 'Good' and 'Evil'.

'Good' and 'Evil' does exist.

To the man who murdered the boy after sexualy assulting him could have seen it as something right too, yet to others around him it could be considered wrong. Like that murderer, I forgot his name was it homer?. He thought he was doing something right by murdering people and that nothing was wrong with that but to the public it was wrong because they had been told its wrong.
Maybe there is no good or evil there are only people nothing more than that.
Then there is the case where a MArines home was broken into while he was still home and so he grabbed his gun and shot the robber while the robber was trying to get away. Who is bad in this situation? the robber or the marine?.

[Tenchu]

I think you are all missing the point. Things are good and evil and right and wrong for one simple reason: because you say so.

... Alright, why do I have to convince people that they are just another person, and are insignifigant on the larger scale of things. Everyone is.

Just because you say so is not an almighty truth that defines the perfection of virtue within man. That is complete delusion. The words of an insignifigant being like yourself are just that; insignifgant. There is no right and wrong as there is nothing higher than us to define it. Unless you are religous. But as long as there are no angels and Gods physically here dictating to us you must only concede that your words are as meaningless as those you critisize who are trying to defend their cowardly actions.

Think on the larger scale, you will come to realize you are on the smaller end of it.

[Hyakushi]

Who are you talking to Tenchu?.

[thedarklord]

Tenchu, I think I understand from where you are coming. There are actually people (psychopaths mostly) who honestly don't think there is anything wrong with killing people. (I've studied some serial murders as a phase I went through.) So, in their mind if they kill someone then it is not evil because (again, in their mind) there is nothing wrong with it. There are also people who believe killing others in the name of God is okay so, in their minds, killing is not evil but something actually approved of by God. Of course most people you know (hopefully!) believe that killing is wrong (and rather evil) and may or may not be wrong if it is in self defense. But who are we to judge? If there is a God then he/she/it would be the judge but even humans who believe in God have different viewpoints. SO, how do we really know what is or isn't evil? Is that what you are talking about, Tenchu?

Well, even if I didn't interpret you correctly, I still think it really is an individual thing as to what one defines as good or evil so in many people's minds they may be doing good if they are killing in the name of God, for example.

Which side would I choose? Well, I guess I would choose "good" because, in my mind, I don't do evil things.

[Tenchu]

That is kinda right, Darklord.

But then you go on to say that regardless of this, even though different people conjure different perspectives of good and evil people can still do good by playing this out. Does that mean that both the Christian Americans and the Iraqi Muslims are both doing good in their holy war right now? The idea that they are both doing good at the same time is a... 'different' one.

I would say given that it is clearly so elusive, and exists in no nuetral position, it is clearly an illusion. Common sense has to concur.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by thedarklord

Tenchu, I think I understand from where you are coming. There are actually people (psychopaths mostly) who honestly don't think there is anything wrong with killing people. (I've studied some serial murders as a phase I went through.) So, in their mind if they kill someone then it is not evil because (again, in their mind) there is nothing wrong with it. There are also people who believe killing others in the name of God is okay so, in their minds, killing is not evil but something actually approved of by God. Of course most people you know (hopefully!) believe that killing is wrong (and rather evil) and may or may not be wrong if it is in self defense. But who are we to judge? If there is a God then he/she/it would be the judge but even humans who believe in God have different viewpoints. SO, how do we really know what is or isn't evil? Is that what you are talking about, Tenchu?

Well, even if I didn't interpret you correctly, I still think it really is an individual thing as to what one defines as good or evil so in many people's minds they may be doing good if they are killing in the name of God, for example.

Which side would I choose? Well, I guess I would choose "good" because, in my mind, I don't do evil things.

I agree.

However, in order for us to even attempt to determine what's Evil and what's not, we'd have to agree that Evil even existed. Which, in this case, Evil, according to Tenchu, does not exist.

I believe - as many others here do - that Evil does exist... Dependance upon interpretation or not.