any soldiers out there?

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

Either way the money you earn from the military goes back to to them so I'm not sure why people join.

People join because they love their country ferociously. Soldiers beleive they are making a differnce in the world and to their country. Soldiers don't beleive in globalism, sometimes, but in serving the country that gave them everything. They see a difference between the UNited States, and a back-water country where people are murdering each other with hatchets over ethnicity, where the people have no chance to rise from the squalor they were born into, where education is not available to everyone, where dictators have rape rooms and their sons kill citizens for fun.

In America we have everything, the ability to educate and raise oneself up. The very fruitfull lives of overabundance you enjoy, but so ignorantly condemn is due to soldiers. Without soldiers and police, you would not be in school, or buying a new car. You would be herded into a militia and taught to murder other youngsters with a machete in service to a drug lord.

respect to those who gave everything so we may have everything.

[Suki]

Originally Posted by EveV

The only thing I really can't stand about American haters is thier constant accusing of the citizens. Regardless of our constitution we have little power. :/

What I really hate about Americans is their "I can't be bothered going out to vote in elections, one vote won't make a difference in the election outcome"-attitude. Well, IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE! Millions of people all over the world have died so that citizens would be given the right to vote on legislation, the least we can do now is use this right, with caution.

Anyway, I totally understand what you mean Eve, but we don't see any changes happening either, and there're SO MANY people that unfortunately don't share your views on this... Democracy still has a long way to go... [man, I'm starting to sound like my Grandad =/]

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

So are you saying People are not Animals???? Can you explain that to me cause I see no difference between the two.
And what is the difference between killing for survival and killing for a job? Isn't that what a job is for? to keep you alive? or is it just some sort of free money idea to you?.

Criminal then I guess everyone in the world is going to hell no matter how much we pray then ey and it doesn't matter if we are good people or bad people then.

Wow I'm so tired of going over this with you.

People are able to control their primary urges, unlike animals. When a lion kills a zebra, he's not conscious of having done anything wrong. When a soldier in Iraq aims at a civilian, he knows he's committing a crime. And that is the difference: mindful awareness of your actions and your morality, which animals lack.

lol I'm not going to explain to you what the difference between killing for survival and killing for a job is. My 10-year-old sister could figure that out by herself.

If the only way there was of earning money was by killing people, I would kill people because money is something you need to live. There's no one in Iraq that needs to be there. It's a choice they freely made (I mean, joining the Military, not being deployed to Iraq). Animals that kill for food, cavemen that used to kill anything that'd come their way to guarantee their survival, they didn't have an option. It was either that or their own death.

Going to hell? Bad and good people?
What are you, eight?

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Paul11

People join because they love their country ferociously. Soldiers beleive they are making a differnce in the world and to their country. Soldiers don't beleive in globalism, sometimes, but in serving the country that gave them everything. They see a difference between the UNited States, and a back-water country where people are murdering each other with hatchets over ethnicity, where the people have no chance to rise from the squalor they were born into, where education is not available to everyone, where dictators have rape rooms and their sons kill citizens for fun.

In America we have everything, the ability to educate and raise oneself up. The very fruitfull lives of overabundance you enjoy, but so ignorantly condemn is due to soldiers. Without soldiers and police, you would not be in school, or buying a new car. You would be herded into a militia and taught to murder other youngsters with a machete in service to a drug lord.

respect to those who gave everything so we may have everything.

Yes I want to believe that too but sometimes we do things that seem to be what we wanted to prevent in the first place so I'm not sure. I don't want to make it seem like everyone in the military has a straight head on there shoulders but most of them are good people. They have familys and new born daughters/sons, there going to school and learning in the feilds they want to but sometimes people don't see it that way. Cause they only focus on those few bad apples who have done something wrong but its not just the military that are corrupt, its everything. Cops are corrupt, military persanel are corrupt and even just people are corrupt. So there are some things that go wrong but recently I heard there trying to fix or make up for things the military have done in the past. Oh my god though the money in Iran is crazy high only 120 US dollars is 5,000 over here *DIes* X_X.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by EveV

Animals go with instinct.
They do what they do and that is that.
They have no capability of deep thought.
If they did humans wouldn't destroy them so easily.

I don't really think thats up to date =/ there still doing research on animals even today like those puppys in russia and shit like that but animals kill humans just as easily =/.

Originally Posted by EveV

I do have friends in the military.
The military fucks people up.
It trains them to agree with death and brutality, a complete brain wash.

There's always alternatives. Joining the military is simply easy.
It's easy to kill for money for comfortable living.
It's the same reason why people get into gangs or mafias.
But that doesn't mean it's right and that doesn't mean I or Suki should support it.

We think the way we want. You don't have to egree and arguing is a waste of time.

O_o!?! I didn't know we were arguing, Haha sorry If I made you mad somehow but I do want to hear your oppinion on things cause your the exact opposit of me and with out the other side of a story I can't really say what my judgment is. Well thats what I think anyways but I agree it is easy and it is a job someone needs to do, its not like the type of job you can lose one person like say a waiter/waitress and not have the whole resturant fall apart. At first its not all that easy but after awhile it does become second to just point and shoot. I think it depend s on the person though, Its tough for people who just sit on the couch all day or peope who are lazy (trust me there are many of them ). Some people are brought up to deal with these things and others well like to say they don't eat anything alive except living plants (Unless they eat them rotten I'm not sure). Some people have already seen blood and guts as for those who get sick and woozy haven't even come any where near breaking there nail with out fainting. I don't expect you to approve of other people I'm only asking that you have some respect when talking about what people do for a living because not all people in the military are fucked up in the head and those are the ones who stick with it. With out them we would just be like all the other countrys with no freedom like North Korea, Oh I was thinking wouldn't it be awsome if we could take over North Korea and just make it another US area but that would only happen if we can manage to get the Russians on our side =/. Sorry that just popped up in my head, although I don't know what we would use North Korea for, they don't have any value at all but the way people live there is just awful.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Suki

Wow I'm so tired of going over this with you.

People are able to control their primary urges, unlike animals. When a lion kills a zebra, he's not conscious of having done anything wrong. When a soldier in Iraq aims at a civilian, he knows he's committing a crime. And that is the difference: mindful awareness of your actions and your morality, which animals lack.

lol I'm not going to explain to you what the difference between killing for survival and killing for a job is. My 10-year-old sister could figure that out by herself.

If the only way there was of earning money was by killing people, I would kill people because money is something you need to live. There's no one in Iraq that needs to be there. It's a choice they freely made (I mean, joining the Military, not being deployed to Iraq). Animals that kill for food, cavemen that used to kill anything that'd come their way to guarantee their survival, they didn't have an option. It was either that or their own death.

Going to hell? Bad and good people?
What are you, eight?

Really when did we talk about this? O_o!?! thats odd I don't remember XDDDDD Hahahahahahaaha.

I quote I think your information is not really up to date (look back at the message I left EveV its somewhere in there).

Wow now that made you sound like an adult calling another adult a kid, that just made you go into god statues now didn't it, yup you sure are up there your hinny.

Do you even know why were even there in the first place? (DOn't bring up the whole gas/oil issue either caused that was caused by civilians themselves).

Well there are other things that you don't get deployed, which brings back the whole Not all soldiers are bad.

That option was evolution XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

Really when did we talk about this? O_o!?! thats odd I don't remember XDDDDD Hahahahahahaaha.

I quote I think your information is not really up to date (look back at the message I left EveV its somewhere in there).

Wow now that made you sound like an adult calling another adult a kid, that just made you go into god statues now didn't it, yup you sure are up there your hinny.

Do you even know why were even there in the first place? (DOn't bring up the whole gas/oil issue either caused that was caused by civilians themselves).

Well there are other things that you don't get deployed, which brings back the whole Not all soldiers are bad.

That option was evolution XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

How was the Gas/Oil issue a civillian issue..

and what on Earth are you talking about.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by EveV

I do have friends in the military.
The military fucks people up.
It trains them to agree with death and brutality, a complete brain wash.
.

Maybe their not brainwashed. Maybe their just educated out of the tired, unaware type of thinking they used to share with you.

"It's the same reason why people get into gangs or mafias."

You can't be serious! Theres no comparison. You really have no idea why people join either, do you?

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by EveV

I do have friends in the military.
The military fucks people up.
It trains them to agree with death and brutality, a complete brain wash.

Some people would rather live life believing it wasn't so horrible.

[granbandido]

lol i think that war is stupid... "oh no iraq is the most dangerous contry on earth" yea and you conquer it in two weeks... lol you could never conquer i dont know lets say brazil in two weeks... i dont like war but i guess i have to suport the army cause of the brave soldiers not for politics! so right on!

any Puertoricans around? im latino

[manganimefan227]

Originally Posted by granbandido

lol i think that war is stupid... "oh no iraq is the most dangerous contry on earth" yea and you conquer it in two weeks... lol you could never conquer i dont know lets say brazil in two weeks... i dont like war but i guess i have to suport the army cause of the brave soldiers not for politics! so right on!

any Puertoricans around? im latino

Ok . . .I don't see what your point is.