any soldiers out there?

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I don't think it's fair to compare WW2 and Iraq. Not only was the world an entirely different place but the conflicts were of an entirely different nature.

Also I believe that it is not a soldier's job to justify the fight to himself. It's the people that lead him. Sure he is supposed to fight for his country. But more importantly he has to believe in what his government and generals are doing.

Sun Tzu wrote this hundreds of years ago in his book "The Art of War". A book still referred to in military academies across the world.

Correct on all points. Unfortunately, not all military leaders merit that power. But a soldier can rarely risk second-guessing his commander. It endangers not only himself, but countless others. However, there have been cases when a soldier's perspective has been better than that of the commanders'.

[Suki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I believe that it is not a soldier's job to justify the fight to himself. It's the people that lead him. Sure he is supposed to fight for his country. But more importantly he has to believe in what his government and generals are doing.

And you think they care about that? How many of them actually know why they do what they're doing? They're told what to do. They do it. They get paid. Sure there're some of them who are well aware of what's going on and feel proud of their achievements as soldiers but I'd say that's hardly the case. Like I said: different times, different motives.

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

What cause it that Suki? there are many good marines who can handle blood and guts and there are those who can't, those who can't bail out after the five month training program. They know fully well what they are getting into and it is there personal choice, when you get into a fight you know there will be pain for both sides.

It's not about being a "good" marine; have you ever heard of empathy? You can't just watch someone die and act like nothing happened! Being unable to kill doesn't make you a bad soldier, it makes you a human.

And what sort of person chooses pain over comfort? I think it's not much of a personal choice as much as it is a matter of necessity, whatever that may be.

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

Hahahahahahaha are you kidding?, anyone can kill its just a matter of training

Well, are YOU?? Just because you're a heartless killing robot who's unable to stay faithful to the mother of his child, doesn't mean that's how it works with everyone else. It's sad enough that some people have to kill for a living, at least let them take the credit for carrying out such an awful act.

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

so are you saying people in world war II were better than people in Veitnam? or in the war now?

I said they were different, not worse. And it's spelt Vietnam.

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

Everyone thinks this war is joke and that the WMDs (weapon of Mass Destruction) aren't real when in fact we know it is there, you know why. Cause the U.S. sold it to Iraq, that is our proof.

A joke? Yeah, right. So fucking funny 4.000 US soldiers have so far died from a laughing fit when they heard they would be risking their life over something like this... I don't know if it's still a joke to you after 5 years, personally I think it's rather serious.

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

Something given to another country to protect themselves was turned on us and we were threatend by them and so we have to take action. You can't turn a blind eye to these things Suki, you need to stop watching movies and look around at the world it may be depressing but its life.

Oh yeah? And what all did they do with them, shove it up their ass, along with Bin Laden?

So the US sells weapons of mass destruction to Iraq and decide the time has come for the Iraqi people to give them back because oh, they're worried they might be used the wrong way? Should have thought about that one before making such risky deals.

And anyway, why does a whole country need to be bombed? Is it gonna help you find what you're after? Have you been told that they'd be given back to you after taking the lives of 100.000 civilians? If so, good job man, 10.000 more to go and they're fucking yours.

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by alma

eh, im so shitty at these post things....
anyway, im with (Bravo Co.1-6inf. TF1-35 AR of the) 1st armored division, from baumholder Germany. im in kuwait at the moment... though in about 4 hours im off to alittle place in iraq.

Oh good, announce on the internet that a specific unit is heading across the border and at what time. Granted I doubt anyone in Iraq is reading this forum, but scanning your connect is another matter.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Suki

And you think they care about that? How many of them actually know why they do what they're doing? They're told what to do. They do it. They get paid. Sure there're some of them who are well aware of what's going on and feel proud of their achievements as soldiers but I'd say that's hardly the case. Like I said: different times, different motives.




It's not about being a "good" marine; have you ever heard of empathy? You can't just watch someone die and act like nothing happened! Being unable to kill doesn't make you a bad soldier, it makes you a human.

And what sort of person chooses pain over comfort? I think it's not much of a personal choice as much as it is a matter of necessity, whatever that may be.



Well, are YOU?? Just because you're a heartless killing robot who's unable to stay faithful to the mother of his child, doesn't mean that's how it works with everyone else. It's sad enough that some people have to kill for a living, at least let them take the credit for carrying out such an awful act.




I said they were different, not worse. And it's spelt Vietnam.



A joke? Yeah, right. So fucking funny 4.000 US soldiers have so far died from a laughing fit when they heard they would be risking their life over something like this... I don't know if it's still a joke to you after 5 years, personally I think it's rather serious.



Oh yeah? And what all did they do with them, shove it up their ass, along with Bin Laden?

So the US sells weapons of mass destruction to Iraq and decide the time has come for the Iraqi people to give them back because oh, they're worried they might be used the wrong way? Should have thought about that one before making such risky deals.

And anyway, why does a whole country need to be bombed? Is it gonna help you find what you're after? Have you been told that they'd be given back to you after taking the lives of 100.000 civilians? If so, good job man, 10.000 more to go and they're fucking yours.

Now SUki are we talking about soldiers in general or ME in general? cause I'm talking about all soldeirs, soldiers I train. There is no compassion in war and that is the difference between Life and your Movies. I think you need to calm down and reread what I have posted in the past cause it seems you have gotten every word mixed up in your head. Some people have already killed things such as animals and cleaned them out to eat and there are those who sit down at a computer and preach about what they think is right and wrong by what they are taught is right and wrong. WHo will survive? those who have bathed in blood or those who only think they have. The answer is obvious.
The military weaves those who are weak out or it changes them for better or worse.
When talking about things like this suki don't take things too personal because it is not about you and me, its about the people around us. If you are not thinking clearly then wait awhile and then type.

[fluffy0000]

will you please pause the BS' you are shoveling? you are a 'sidewalk commando' -you are'nt in the military and the 'closet nazi' 'I train soldiers' marine jargon is pathetic plea of 'epic fail'. now go take a nap.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

will you please pause the BS' you are shoveling? you are a 'sidewalk commando' -you are'nt in the military and the 'closet nazi' 'I train soldiers' marine jargon is pathetic plea of 'epic fail'. now go take a nap.

Aren't old men suppose to be in bed by now in nursing homes? I wonder how you got out and off your pills . Hahahahahahahaha! I'm sorry old man if the world changes while you sit at a computer talking about the 1500's and the good old days.

[Acidreptile]

Most of the soldiers stink more than socks.

[fluffy0000]

Hyakushi for somebody who does'nt have pubic hair yet , most people are older than you. When you finish your fantasy about being a marine have your mommy tuck you into bed like a 'good little marine' . semper fi -

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

Hyakushi for somebody who does'nt have pubic hair yet , most people are older than you. When you finish your fantasy about being a marine have your mommy tuck you into bed like a 'good little marine' . semper fi -

YES! (Taln salutes Fluffy)

And remember little one, a good Marine respects the Marines and those of other military services that came before him. Now be a good little jar-head and get some manners.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

YES! (Taln salutes Fluffy)

And remember little one, a good Marine respects the Marines and those of other military services that came before him. Now be a good little jar-head and get some manners.

The DI's need to feed on something.