Smoking

[noodle]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Why the should we breathe their crap in and make ourselves ill? Why should we have to be considerate to them and let them smoke around us?
So yes indeed, smokers will bow down to the non-smokers will, mainly because they are the ones dependant on their cancerous habit and it is their choice.
It isn't ours.

F*ck putting up with it.

Actually no... They don't have to bow down to non-smokers because smoking isn't illegal... Just because you don't do it, or a non-smoker doesn't smoke, it doesn't mean they have more rights. If it really bugs you, then cover your mouth!

From what you said, if everyone thought the same as you, everyone will believe that someone should bow down to them... eg, someone that doesn't drive and rides a bike, will say car drivers should bow down to him and stop driving cars because it's polluting the air and making him ill!
It just doesn't work like that fortunately, otherwise, everyone will think they are more important than the other by believing that they have the right to tell someone not to do something simply because they don't do it themselves!!

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by noodle

Actually no... They don't have to bow down to non-smokers because smoking isn't illegal... Just because you don't do it, or a non-smoker doesn't smoke, it doesn't mean they have more rights. If it really bugs you, then cover your mouth!

From what you said, if everyone thought the same as you, everyone will believe that someone should bow down to them... eg, someone that doesn't drive and rides a bike, will say car drivers should bow down to him and stop driving cars because it's polluting the air and making him ill!
It just doesn't work like that fortunately, otherwise, everyone will think they are more important than the other by believing that they have the right to tell someone not to do something simply because they don't do it themselves!!

I meant it metaphorically and that was just a pissed off rant more than anything at a previous post.
It really pisses me off when people make idiotic issues spring up out of nowhere. Whats the point of saying that "Smokers don't need to bow down to Non-Smokers wishes" or some crap like that. Not only is it pathetically irrelevant but also totally inaccurate. It is Non-Smokers who have to put up with secondary smoke that THEY don't want. It is THEY who show courtesy and let Smokers have their way in the first place.

In effect smokers are dependant on their cigarettes so if any laws were made to make it illegal, then those smokers would be bowing down to those laws. Right now they are bowing to laws that prohibit smoking in public places. The Non-Smokers ain't got a problem.
So many people are effected by secondary smoke and that includes me. If I let someone smoke around me, I am doing them a courtesy. If I don't know them, I will politely tell them to move away and if that doesn't work, (but it normally does) then i'll use my judgement by taking it somewhere further. For instance, if someone comes up to me and starts telling me how they aren't entitled to listen to my wishes, (or "bow down to me", if they wanna be an emo twat about it) i'm entitled to smack that cigarette right down their trap.

[Gackt21]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

I meant it metaphorically and that was just a pissed off rant more than anything at a previous post.
It really pisses me off when people make idiotic issues spring up out of nowhere. Whats the point of saying that "Smokers don't need to bow down to Non-Smokers wishes" or some crap like that. Not only is it pathetically irrelevant but also totally inaccurate. It is Non-Smokers who have to put up with secondary smoke that THEY don't want. It is THEY who show courtesy and let Smokers have their way in the first place.

In effect smokers are dependant on their cigarettes so if any laws were made to make it illegal, then those smokers would be bowing down to those laws. Right now they are bowing to laws that prohibit smoking in public places. The Non-Smokers ain't got a problem.
So many people are effected by secondary smoke and that includes me. If I let someone smoke around me, I am doing them a courtesy. If I don't know them, I will politely tell them to move away and if that doesn't work, (but it normally does) then i'll use my judgement by taking it somewhere further. For instance, if someone comes up to me and starts telling me how they aren't entitled to listen to my wishes, (or "bow down to me", if they wanna be an emo twat about it) i'm entitled to smack that cigarette right down their trap.

Just because one person complains the government thinks they have to make laws to stop people from smoking. If you don't like the smoking then don't go there plain and simple. Don't take peoples rights away because you don't like what they are doing to their bodies.
Just so you all know what I think your saying.

[EveV]

Originally Posted by Gackt21

Just because one person complains the government thinks they have to make laws to stop people from smoking. If you don't like the smoking then don't go there plain and simple. Don't take peoples rights away because you don't like what they are doing to their bodies.
Just so you all know what I think your saying.

One person >>
I don't know how to works in U.K
But here the government has people vote over issues like that.

Nonsmokers don't have to go to another area just the same as smokers.
They just need to make sure their not in the smoking section.
Smokers should make sure their not smoking in the nonsmoking section or in a closed in room full of people who don't smoke.
If these two parties paid attention to the signs or what the majority is doing they'd both stay comfortable.
Majority as in, " Are there lots of people smoking in this area or not?"

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Gackt21

Just because one person complains the government thinks they have to make laws to stop people from smoking. If you don't like the smoking then don't go there plain and simple. Don't take peoples rights away because you don't like what they are doing to their bodies.
Just so you all know what I think your saying.

Huh? Taking your rights away?
If you think banning smoking or any other form of self destruction is infringing on your rights, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

Oh by all means, go jump off a cliff if you want. Just don't take me with you.

[Gackt21]

Originally Posted by EveV

One person >>
I don't know how to works in U.K
But here the government has people vote over issues like that.

Nonsmokers don't have to go to another area just the same as smokers.
They just need to make sure their not in the smoking section.
Smokers should make sure their not smoking in the nonsmoking section or in a closed in room full of people who don't smoke.
If these two parties paid attention to the signs or what the majority is doing they'd both stay comfortable.
Majority as in, " Are there lots of people smoking in this area or not?"

I am in the USA and if someone complains our government decides it has the power to ban smoking. They complain that the smokers are too close to them even when they are in their sections.
I see no problem with a smoking section and non-smoking section but the problem is when the government has to make the rules.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by EveV

One person >>
I don't know how to works in U.K
But here the government has people vote over issues like that.

Nonsmokers don't have to go to another area just the same as smokers.
They just need to make sure their not in the smoking section.
Smokers should make sure their not smoking in the nonsmoking section or in a closed in room full of people who don't smoke.
If these two parties paid attention to the signs or what the majority is doing they'd both stay comfortable.
Majority as in, " Are there lots of people smoking in this area or not?"

People do smoke in enclosed spaces or where they find most comfortable. That could be in a car, in a home, in the bathroom etc. The need for a cigarette overwhelms the courtesy in a lot of people.
Smoking is still banned here in public areas. In enclosed spaces or where the law has little reach, there are still kids and people who are allergic to the Tar in cigarettes. Even if you open a window in an enclosed space, the Tar from a cigarette will find its way into everyones lungs in close vicinity of you. It's just less likely that the Tar from a cigarette will find its way into your throat in an open space. It will still happen though depending on how close you are.
The actual smoke itself has little to do with passive smoking.
If you've ever been to an old bar, you'll see that the walls become yellow from the amount of smoking that goes on.
That shit ends up in your lungs.

[EveV]

Originally Posted by Gackt21

I am in the USA and if someone complains our government decides it has the power to ban smoking. They complain that the smokers are too close to them even when they are in their sections.
I see no problem with a smoking section and non-smoking section but the problem is when the government has to make the rules.

Uhm.
Perhaps you should pay closer attention to politics...
People voted for smoking to be banned.
Just like they voted against gay rights.

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

People do smoke in enclosed spaces or where they find most comfortable. That could be in a car, in a home, in the bathroom etc. The need for a cigarette overwhelms the courtesy in a lot of people.
Smoking is still banned here in public areas. In enclosed spaces or where the law has little reach, there are still kids and people who are allergic to the Tar in cigarettes. Even if you open a window in an enclosed space, the Tar from a cigarette will find its way into everyones lungs in close vicinity of you. It's just less likely that the Tar from a cigarette will find its way into your throat in an open space. It will still happen though depending on how close you are.
The actual smoke itself has little to do with passive smoking.
If you've ever been to an old bar, you'll see that the walls become yellow from the amount of smoking that goes on.
That shit ends up in your lungs.

I know they do which is why I'm saying if these two parties paid attention to the aspects I mentioned above. They'd both be happy.

Look around your city.
That is what also goes into your lungs.

And I've worked in an Old Bar and seen my lungs.
I know what you mean.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by EveV

I know they do which is why I'm saying if these two parties paid attention to the aspects I mentioned above. They'd both be happy.

Look around your city.
That is what also goes into your lungs.

And I've worked in an Old Bar and seen my lungs.
I know what you mean.

Yes and i'm saying that even in sectioned areas, you will get stuff going into your lungs. So that's why public smoking is banned here.
I'm also saying that this will probably just make people smoke privately when they can and this will effect their kids or whoever is in close vicinity, more than usual.
As for the pollution in the city, that is another issue. It doesn't directly effect me as much as smoking in someones elses smoke will but i'm sure it's had some effect on my health over the long term.

[EveV]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Yes and i'm saying that even in sectioned areas, you will get stuff going into your lungs. So that's why public smoking is banned here.
I'm also saying that this will probably just make people smoke privately when they can and this will effect their kids or whoever is in close vicinity, more than usual.
As for the pollution in the city, that is another issue. It doesn't directly effect me as much as smoking in someones elses smoke will but i'm sure it's had some effect on my health over the long term.

Just imagen how many chemicals you in take.
Cars.
Construction.
Cleaning.
Factories.

Honestly cigarettes seem not so important when you think about what people are putting into the air.
Major companies don't care what chemicals kill the environment or it's inhabitants.
Not if their making millions by doing it.