Incest and Gay Love.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by yuujirou

i think that should be up to the child too decide.
I believe that we as humans need something or someone to be able to fall back on. The reason why we choose our parents to be the ones to fall back on is because they are the ones who gave birth too us, and are most probable too take care of us....
what i'm trying to say is that children do not necessarily need a FATHER and a MOTHER to be raised properly. How many children grew up dandy w/ foster parents? or w/ a single mom? or single father???
(the only bad thing about being raised by one parent is that that one parent can't handle all the responsibilities alone)
>.>'
and what's wrong with a homosexual couple adopting a child to satisfy their maternal longings??
isn't that the main reason why ANY couple adopts a child in the first place?
because they can't have children of their own.
(i know this girl who can't have kids because of a miscarriage =.= so i suppose they're going to be forced to adopt or something x.x'' )

and...it should be a mutual benefit.
The child gains parents to raise him/her
The parents sasisfy their maternal longings
all is well

I think the response to those comments is obvious...

In most cases adopted children are far too young to have any idea whats good for them.
It's a little strange to be comparing parents to something you fall back on... Personally, i've never looked at my parents as people to fall back on..
I don't think ivionkey is saying that a child without both a mother and a father will be doomed to have a horrible life, but more that, a child should have the right to have both figures in their life.

I think it's obvious that there is a big difference between a homosexual couple trying to fulfill their maternal needs and a couple that is unfortunate enough to have biological problems...

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by noodle

I think it's obvious that there is a big difference between a homosexual couple trying to fulfill their maternal needs and a couple that is unfortunate enough to have biological problems...

But the difference is subordinate to the child who needs a home with two loving parents. Too many sit in orphanages while gay and lesbian couple are refused because the other parent is the same sex.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

But the difference is subordinate to the child who needs a home with two loving parents. Too many sit in orphanages while gay and lesbian couple are refused because their parent is the same sex.

That's not what I'm talking about... I'm talking about the "selfishness" point... But in response to your post, I'm no expert in child pshycology, but personally, I would have preferred to have no parents instead of having Gay parents... Whenever I think about it, it just brings up too many confusing questions and situations that would come up, and problems with school and life etc. I've already suffered from discrimination due to my race, and I wouldn't wish any kind of discrimination on any child... Yes, you're probably gonna say something like the children need to be taught better etc etc... But life is like that. Children do and say nasty things even if they are brought up well. It's part of learning the differences between right and wrong!

ps... Just a random question... For those of you that believe that homosexuality is genetic, is being bisexual genetic also?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

I think it's obvious that there is a big difference between a homosexual couple trying to fulfill their maternal needs and a couple that is unfortunate enough to have biological problems...

Really? Lots of people want to be parents...whether they are gay or straight. I am not sure why being gay means you suddenly give up the right to be a parent.

And please don't say "Because it's a choice".

[Asakura]

Originally Posted by noodle

That's not what I'm talking about... I'm talking about the "selfishness" point... But in response to your post, I'm no expert in child pshycology, but personally, I would have preferred to have no parents instead of having Gay parents... Whenever I think about it, it just brings up too many confusing questions and situations that would come up, and problems with school and life etc. I've already suffered from discrimination due to my race, and I wouldn't wish any kind of discrimination on any child... Yes, you're probably gonna say something like the children need to be taught better etc etc... But life is like that. Children do and say nasty things even if they are brought up well. It's part of learning the differences between right and wrong!

ps... Just a random question... For those of you that believe that homosexuality is genetic, is being bisexual genetic also?

Even in a good home , you where constantly reminded that you where alone. And it diden't even need to be said to you.

So what if your adopted by a homosexual couple? Yes it will be awkward at school, yes it will be different for you. But at least you have a family to go home to. Which is a feeling I don't think you've ever been without.

I'm sorry man, but in my opinion you are totally wrong

[BakaCrisis]

This may not even mean anything to the discussion but I never understood why, for example, a man would get a sex change to become a woman, to only inturn love/like/ have sex with women....

[Asakura]

I've heard it said that some men love women so much, they wan to experence what it's like to be one.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

That's not what I'm talking about... I'm talking about the "selfishness" point... But in response to your post, I'm no expert in child pshycology, but personally, I would have preferred to have no parents instead of having Gay parents... Whenever I think about it, it just brings up too many confusing questions and situations that would come up, and problems with school and life etc. I've already suffered from discrimination due to my race, and I wouldn't wish any kind of discrimination on any child... Yes, you're probably gonna say something like the children need to be taught better etc etc... But life is like that. Children do and say nasty things even if they are brought up well. It's part of learning the differences between right and wrong!

ps... Just a random question... For those of you that believe that homosexuality is genetic, is being bisexual genetic also?

So we should cater to those that discriminate for the sake of the child? If that was how these decisions were made, no child would ever get placed in an adoptive home.

I didn't say homosexuality was "genetic", I just said that I know I didn't "choose" my sexuality, and all the gays I know say the same thing. They didn't "choose" thier sexuality. Why would they? So I can't really say if bizexuality is genetic or not. I know that some people experiement with sexuality, expecially in their youth, but I don't hear a lot about older bisexuals. I am not sure what this has to do with anything, though.

[BakaCrisis]

Originally Posted by MMM

So we should cater to those that discriminate for the sake of the child. If that was how these decisions were made, no child would ever get placed in an adoptive home.

but I don't hear a lot about older bisexuals. I am not sure what this has to do with anything, though.

Heh, that is true. You don't really hear about older people claiming to be Bisexual.

[Asakura]

I think Bisexuality is probably more of an experimental thing than anything else. It's when you reach out and find out what your into. You can experiment. Get the best of both worlds in a way.