Incest and Gay Love.

[forgotenmemory]

Originally Posted by yuujirou

i think that should be up to the child too decide.
I believe that we as humans need something or someone to be able to fall back on. The reason why we choose our parents to be the ones to fall back on is because they are the ones who gave birth too us, and are most probable too take care of us....
what i'm trying to say is that children do not necessarily need a FATHER and a MOTHER to be raised properly. How many children grew up dandy w/ foster parents? or w/ a single mom? or single father???
(the only bad thing about being raised by one parent is that that one parent can't handle all the responsibilities alone)
>.>'
and what's wrong with a homosexual couple adopting a child to satisfy their maternal longings??
isn't that the main reason why ANY couple adopts a child in the first place?
because they can't have children of their own.
(i know this girl who can't have kids because of a miscarriage =.= so i suppose they're going to be forced to adopt or something x.x'' )

and...it should be a mutual benefit.
The child gains parents to raise him/her
The parents sasisfy their maternal longings
all is well

Your right! I came up great, and my mom raised me by herself. Though, I think I would of come up differently with my dad (who I still talk to on occasion), you see, my mom is a bit of a pushover, but if my dad was here, I think I would of been more of a responsibility kind of guy, which I think I might like.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by MMM

Really? Lots of people want to be parents...whether they are gay or straight. I am not sure why being gay means you suddenly give up the right to be a parent.

And please don't say "Because it's a choice".

Tell me why I can't say it's a choice? A woman that has something wrong with her that will not allow her to give birth is unfortunate. But with gay couples, it isn't the same. Their body isn't what's stopping them from having a child.

[Asakura]

If you want to hear this arguement just go back 5 or so pages.

Me and MMM had a philisophical duel of the century on this subject.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Asakura

Even in a good home , you where constantly reminded that you where alone. And it diden't even need to be said to you.

So what if your adopted by a homosexual couple? Yes it will be awkward at school, yes it will be different for you. But at least you have a family to go home to. Which is a feeling I don't think you've ever been without.

I'm sorry man, but in my opinion you are totally wrong

lol, How can you tell me I am wrong when I say what my preference is? I know, I would have hated to be raised by gay parents (probably more so if I found out that I could have been adopted by a normal family). I would of ended up hating my parents as well, even if they did love me and give me a roof over my head.

Originally Posted by MMM

So we should cater to those that discriminate for the sake of the child? If that was how these decisions were made, no child would ever get placed in an adoptive home.

I didn't say homosexuality was "genetic", I just said that I know I didn't "choose" my sexuality, and all the gays I know say the same thing. They didn't "choose" thier sexuality. Why would they? So I can't really say if bizexuality is genetic or not. I know that some people experiement with sexuality, expecially in their youth, but I don't hear a lot about older bisexuals. I am not sure what this has to do with anything, though.

Who said we should cater to it. The point is, why cause trouble for a child when it can be avoided? Would you purposely bring sadness to a childs life simply to prove a point? Would you let your child starve simply to teach them that wasting food is wrong?

I didn't aim that question personally at you, but what I'm confused about now is, if it isn't a choice, and it isn't genetic, then what is it? As for older bisexuals, I'm talking about the thousands of men and women that have been married for years with children, and then one day, they come out of the closet. To me they are bisexual, because they were able to have sex and reproduce.

[Jaydelart]

I don't dislike homosexual people, however, naturally, I don't feel homosexuality is right either. Nature is my justification for feeling this way.

[EveV]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

Maybe. But so are blacks, asians, goths, geeks. Do they have GEEK PRIDE or anything? Nope. Wherever people go, there will always be this bad in the world. But Gay Pride marches are just drawing attention and making in seem like they are abnormal, when they are not, they are exactly like the rest of us. I hate it when I meet a gay person and the first thing they say to me is 'I'm Gay.' Am I supposed to be shocked by that? People are beaten up all the time by closed-minded people who can't see past their own little box. I've been assaulted a number of times for different reasons, and I don't go parading round drawing attention to myself. I just don't see why they have these marches, I don't know what it hopes to achieve. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with gay people at all. Even some of the gay people I have spoken to hate Gay Pride marches.

Being a geek
Or Black
And being discriminated for that is a social thing.
Being Gay has become political.
Countries are interrupting what people can and cannot do due to their sexual preference.
Gay is not hurting people.
Because of this it is wrong for governments to interrupt.
That is why they have pride it's a sign to those governments, " We're not going anywhere."
It's just like how Martin Luther King lead the blacks in a march towards freedom.
That's what homosexuals are doing.
Would you rather them burn buildings and cause chaos?

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

I don't dislike homosexual people, however, naturally, I don't feel homosexuality is right either. Nature is my justification for feeling this way.

I second that... I have a few Gay friends. We get along well. I don't look at them differently, or treat them differently, but I do let them know that I'm not interested in their sexuality or their "private" life per se...

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

Who said we should cater to it. The point is, why cause trouble for a child when it can be avoided? Would you purposely bring sadness to a childs life simply to prove a point? Would you let your child starve simply to teach them that wasting food is wrong?

I didn't aim that question personally at you, but what I'm confused about now is, if it isn't a choice, and it isn't genetic, then what is it? As for older bisexuals, I'm talking about the thousands of men and women that have been married for years with children, and then one day, they come out of the closet. To me they are bisexual, because they were able to have sex and reproduce.

Prove a point? Gays don't adopt children to prove a point. Gays adopt children because they want to be parents.

So there is a chance people might be mean to the child because he has gay parents? If we make all our choices based on "someone might be mean to them" then we would never let our kids outside.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

It is hopelessly selfish because they chose to be partners in a way where they can not naturally conceive. Why should they be given the care of children just to satisfy their maternal longings?

Then what about hetero couples who can't have children? Should they be denied the right to adopt because they weren't equipped with the ability to biologically conceive their own children?

[noodle]

Originally Posted by MMM

Prove a point? Gays don't adopt children to prove a point. Gays adopt children because they want to be parents.

So there is a chance people might be mean to the child because he has gay parents? If we make all our choices based on "someone might be mean to them" then we would never let our kids outside.

I didn't say that Gays adopt to prove a point. What I was talking about was, would you purposely let a child get discriminated against because he's likely to be more open when he's older as he knows that being discriminated against is bad?? I wasn't talking about the reasons for gays adopting... I think you guys are mixing up my posts... When I reply about selfishness, you guys take it that i'm talking about something else, and when I talk about a childs well being, you take it as me saying gays want to prove that being gay is okay!!

How can you say something like that?? If a child is unfortunate enough to suffer discrimination, it doesn't last once or twice. It lasts years and years... and heck yeah I wouldn't let my child go outside if I knew that day after day, week after week, year after year, people would be mean to him.