Incest and Gay Love.

[Miyavifan]

I see. You just think that being gay or lesbian is wrong.?
This thread has alot to look through.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Now you are putting words to what you've misunderstood.
I never said that I am now calling it an "urge". I said that the URGE makes someone commit an ACT which can be CONTROLLED. Hence, it is a CHOICE.
I hope that makes it clearer for you.
As for rapes and murders with accompanied benefit, isn't that the same as homosexuality or any act of sexual intercourse? The benefit being sexual gratification.
That is ALL it is.
It seems I will have to repeat my argument once again seeing as you don't seem to grasp it.
The act of murder, rape, child abuse etc are all ACTS. Whether they are ACTS of passion or not, the person committing such ACTS still has a choice whether to go ahead with the ACT or not. This is how I am comparing these to ACTS of Homosexuality.
As for suppressing your ACTS of heterosexuality, you can. Ever heard of celibacy?
You only think you can't because you have never tried
There's nothing wrong with Heterosexuality though when done properly since it is the natural way which sexual intercourse should take place.
At the end of the day, all you are arguing about is whether it is right or wrong to seek sexual gratification via the same sex.
I believe it is wrong. It is backed up by the fact that we are not MADE to have sex any other way and that the final result of sexual intercourse from the perspective of our bodies, is to procreate.



Huh? Ever heard of Lust? As i've said a few times now, whether it is heterosexual or homosexual, the sex aspect is the same.



And this is why this is a moral argument more than anything else. Does condoning freedom for sexual acts make you immoral?
I guess that's something you'll have to ask and face yourself.



I'd say the father of the White family raising the Black child would actually instill the discipline that the Lesbian couple could not. Also a sense of honour and how to accept your own identity. There could also be negatives, like how the child learns its prejudices and whatnot but that is in a negative situation. In a positive situation with a lesbian couple vs the normal couple, a normal couple will win out EVERY time.



Oh I think it does as outlined earlier.



If you "wanted" to be a painter. You were not "born" a painter. Therefore you don't even have that issue unless you stumble across it by your own design. Why does that analogy even fit here?
If you were born a Lesbian, it is your CHOICE to get into a Lesbian relationship and not be capable of having children naturally. If you want children, be in a heterosexual relationship. Get over the URGES that make you want to perform ACTS of sex with others of the same sex just for your own sexual gratification. Take the natural path that you are meant to take for your sake as for the child.



No that is rather wrong. She is a Lesbian by nature maybe but urges can be controlled. It is her test in life.
Giving into that urge means she is weak.

ivi0nk3y, it's always a pleasure to go head to head with you. The bottom line is we have different moral backgrounds, and nothing is ever going to change that. To you, acts of homosexuality are sins, and to me they are not.

I am glad you acknowledge gays and lesbians are born that way, and it isn't a choice that a heterosexual person makes, because that isn't a choice any sane person would make.

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

You haven't read anything i've written or you'd be arguing the points that i've made to everything you've just said

Maybe its more to giving up on pounding ours heads on brick walls to no avail.
You still haven't grasped that rape is a crime of violence not sexual gratification.

[Dark17]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Yeah, but incest causes birth defects and mutants. If it was socially accepted and some how managed to flourish there would be retards everywhere. It is not good.

i'm not sayin that incest is a good thing..infact i disaprove of it. i'm not gonna treat anyone wrong/differently because of it. i'm just implying that you can't really stop it from happening and that i have no place to judge anyone cause of what they like or do. like i said before...incest is strange

i really don't care as long as i know what i'm doin

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I have actually read everything.

I just wanted to make a generic summary of my opinions.

So you've read everything and understood nothing.
If you had, you would've been more inclined to understand and debate like MMM has and not come up with the same arguments that have been in discussion for the past few pages of this thread.

Originally Posted by TalnSG

Maybe its more to giving up on pounding ours heads on brick walls to no avail.
You still haven't grasped that rape is a crime of violence not sexual gratification.

And you still haven't grasped that when I compare the two, i'm talking about the acts themselves, not what their nature is.
I am more patient to people and their slow grasping abilities though

Originally Posted by MMM

ivi0nk3y, it's always a pleasure to go head to head with you. The bottom line is we have different moral backgrounds, and nothing is ever going to change that. To you, acts of homosexuality are sins, and to me they are not.

I am glad you acknowledge gays and lesbians are born that way, and it isn't a choice that a heterosexual person makes, because that isn't a choice any sane person would make.

Yes debating with you is an enlightening experience. Gives me an opportunity to learn as well

[pumpum]

Look at it this way - if there were no gays then that song "GAY BAR" would never have been made and u gotta admit that is one funny - ass song!!

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by pumpum

Look at it this way - if there were no gays then that song "GAY BAR" would never have been made and u gotta admit that is one funny - ass song!!

I find that band kinda repulsive.

[eleKtrickpenguin]

i agree with you, eve.

first of all, your teacher was completely out of line in expressing his opinion to the class. although it is acceptable and needed to have differing opinions to have a debate, as a teacher in a position of authority, he should have remained neutral. although i don't know all the laws, i'm pretty sure that he could even be fired for those remarks...
your teacher acted disgracefully.

secondly... WTF? having sex with your BROTHER OR SISTER is not comparable to a healthy, consensual, adult relationship between two people, who, hey, just happen to be of the same gender.
it's like saying that having a babysitter or nanny for your children is comparable to slavery.
its simply a difference of lifestyle, homosexual vs. straight, stay-at-home parent vs. busy one...

third... i think that all people, (except for pedophiles and other people whose love/lust causes actual physical and mental harm to people), SHOULD BE FREE TO BE WITH WHOEVER THEY WANT. its still love...
i'm straight, but i'm on the GSA at my school, and several of my close friends are gay/lesbian/bisexual and i think its horrible that they can't fully express and embrace their love for for people of the same gender simply because of our society. it's depressing.

(sorry this post is really long...)

[MissMisa]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

So you've read everything and understood nothing.
If you had, you would've been more inclined to understand and debate like MMM has and not come up with the same arguments that have been in discussion for the past few pages of this thread.

I was summing up what I thought about the discussion as a whole. There would be absolutely no point in debating further than that because I'd just be repeating what MMM has already said. So a small summary paragraph is more useful than a large one nitpicking every single one of your points and repeating exactly what everyone else has said.

[Fooflowers]

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