Incest and Gay Love.

[Grey]

The reason why I think gay people should be able to get married is because it is their life. Why should it affect me? If two guys or two girls were to get married, it wouldn't change any aspect or element of my daily life. So why should I mind? When people ask me if I think gay people should get married, I just say, "If they want to, they should. If they don't, than they shouldn't". Just like with any person who considers marriage.

[yuujirou]

Originally Posted by MMM

Thankfully for him. At the very least he would be suspended and it would be all over the local news in Portland.

hmm...that reminds me of a curious incident involving this teacher at clements high [remember that thread w/ the guy who got expelled because he created a map of his school on a first person shooter?...well same school x] ]

apparently, a video was found of this teacher who took part in what appeared to be a wrestling match with another man....
and somehow..it reached FBISD (Fort Bend Independent School District)
>.>"''
well, the teacher was accused to have been making love w/ that man (never saw the vid myself, but that's what i heard...first it was wrestling, then it became a homosexual act) and was convicted for something......and...well they put him on payed vacation for a bit before i lost track of the story x.x'''
hmm...well, anyway......FUCK those who hate on others =.='''
those who hate homosexuals are the ones who shouldn't exist in this world >.>

[yuujirou]

Originally Posted by MMM

Thankfully for him. At the very least he would be suspended and it would be all over the local news in Portland.

and HOLY hell portland? o.O"
as in Portland, Oregon?!

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by BakaCrisis

IMHO, Gay guys shouldnt exist... It's just decreasing our population... and you aren't born gay, because obviously your parents were straight to have you. So its a nurture thing not by nature. Gay girls on the other hand can exist because they can still reproduce... I dunno, Gay folk are weird.

I disagree entirely with this. I really feel it's biological and chemical. You can't help who you're attracted to. Seriously, why would anyone choose to be gay when it's looked down upon in the way that it is?

For some guys, if they look at a girl, they have a physical attraction to said girl. Hormones, biology, etc., plays a role in that. For other guys, if they look at a girl, they feel none of this. If they look at a guy, then the attraction that the guy had for the girl, will be the situation for the gay guy. Same goes for females. A female can look at a guy she may find attractive, and actually have a physical attraction towards the guy. If that female looks at another girl, she'll feel nothing. If it's a gay girl, then it's the opposite, and she'll feel nothing physically towards the man, but will feel something towards the girl.

I hope that made sense. ^^

[Acidreptile]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

I disagree entirely with this. I really feel it's biological and chemical. You can't help who you're attracted to. Seriously, why would anyone choose to be gay when it's looked down upon in the way that it is?

For some guys, if they look at a girl, they have a physical attraction to said girl. Hormones, biology, etc., plays a role in that. For other guys, if they look at a girl, they feel none of this. If they look at a guy, then the attraction that the guy had for the girl, will be the situation for the gay guy. Same goes for females. A female can look at a guy she may find attractive, and actually have a physical attraction towards the guy. If that female looks at another girl, she'll feel nothing. If it's a gay girl, then it's the opposite, and she'll feel nothing physically towards the man, but will feel something towards the girl.

I hope that made sense. ^^

You are absolutely right.Like I said no one chooses to be gay.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by yuujirou

and HOLY hell portland? o.O"
as in Portland, Oregon?!

That's the only Portland in the NW I know....

[Asakura]

I have no problems with homosexuality. I don't treat anyone any different. And if you treat it like that then there IS no issue.

Homosexuality has been around for ages, it has been an occult practice for thousands of years. And it is actually not socially new to even western cultures. But it has been underground, hidden for generations. Judeo-Christian religions shun homosexuality. "I shall not lie with mine own kind" is a verse in the Bible AND the Tora. America and especially the bible belt south hold these values in high regard and so the concept of homosexuallity is revolting to someone who was raised in this value system. (now before you freak out, the word occult does not mean satanic or cult-like in any way. It actually means hidden or secret, for example the society of and practaces of the ninjas are very occult.)

Do I beleve that you are born Homosexual? In a way yes, in a way no. I think that some people have a hardwired in tendancy toward homosexuality. But it IS a choice. Saying that you are born that way and cannot help it, is simply a way to avoid responsibility and accountability for your choices. Humans have free will, and we are given the right to choose, but with those rights comes responsibility.

It's simple to defend your homosexuallity, without resorting to the fate card, Simply state, that it is just as much your right to be Homosexual, as it is their right to be Heterosexual. And remember you can't convice everyone, without taking the rights and free will you have away from them.

As far as incest goes, I find that most people that have incestual fantasies, don't have blood siblings or blood siblings of the opposite sex. And those that do, usually had abuse by their parents and see their sibling as a source of security and comfort that they cannot find in regular people. Other times it can happen as a result of romantic relationship problems with other people.
Think about it like this, when you have to encounter a stranger that you want to build a relasionship with. You have to put forth effort to learn and grow and get that person to attach to you, and even then, they can go and be away for long periods of time, they can lie to you about their past and other problems and questions that plague young romantic relationships. With a sibling or cousin, in essence, the work is half done.


Close incest (cousin and closer) carries the risk and tendancy of birth defects such as hemophilia (freebleading, blood platelet defects). Of course that is relitively rare on the first generation and usually happens in the third or fourth. More common bith defects are, missing or ecessive fingers and toes webbed fingers and/or toes, down's syndrome. I feel that that is natures way of diversifying the species. Too close and you never adapt and your genetic stucture actually mutates in some very bad ways.

And the reason some if not most historical incest practaces come from the need or want to "purify" bloodlines or keep bloodlines "pure". And in a way it makes sense.

But in all essence do I feel that it is morally wrong? No, love is subjective just like morals. If you are in love with your sibling or have an oeidipus complex or whatever you consider incest, I just ask that you keep the facts in mind, that it is usually not socially acceptable. And it really complicates having children.

As far as comparing the two. It's completely innane and offensive to boot. They are totally different situations. Doing so shows ignorace and short sightedness.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

EveV, does your teacher realize that in some school districts in this state even having that discussion could get him fired, much less for the stance he took?!

That comparison is extremely offensive and he is lucky neither I or several other educators I know heard his comments.

He has a right to his opinion, but that narrow of a viewpoint has no business in public education when it comes from an authority figure.


(yeah the claws are flexing - Madame is most displeased)

Lemme guess - he thinks his ex-governor and soon to be ex-president is a saint?

Unfortunately, teachers from all political sides are guilty of having these kinds of discussions with their students. I've known many Liberal teachers who have also held the same informal debate in their classes.

[yuujirou]

Originally Posted by MMM

That's the only Portland in the NW I know....

._.'''''
damn...
my boss and his wife are retiring there
in a few years xDD
they already have a house under construction there
(due to be done by august)
x.x

[MMM]

Asakura, why would anyone choose to be gay?

There is no societal advantage to being gay. But the disadvantages could fill a book.

That would be like choosing to have an arm cut off.