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Why is that contrary to what Jayd is trying to say? Afterall Evolution hasn't been proven either and that is what the whole debate about the subject stems from.
Evolution is a conclusion to a series of studies... it's a theory. Scientist can try over and over again but they will come to the same conclusion.

While believing in a deity is just believing to a written book and all it says. It's not based on anything, you just have to follow it without using your logic.

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It sucks that I'm still being involved in the debate after agreeing to drop it.
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While believing in a deity is just believing to a written book and all it says. It's not based on anything, you just have to follow it without using your logic.

It is a big difference.
Sorry to sound blunt.. but that is your prejudice on it without really knowing about religions that provide plenty of logic toward the existence of a deity.


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I really think they need to do more research,but it really too soon to tell. By looking at this picture it really looks just like an ordinary well-preseved lemur skeleton. And if it is really the missing link, then my question is this..why have we not find more like this? surely by now...Scientists should have more evidence, right?
Not trying to say they have not been searching for something like this, but if it is really evidence it should not be this hard to find...the true would have been reveal by now.
I really don't understand your argument here. Are you dismissing the discovery because they didn't find it sooner?

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Another question would be if human do evolute...why are we not still evolving? Does evolution just stops???? Yes it might takes several years,but how long it that??? How long did it take for an animal to transform to a human?? It take steps in order to evolute, right? Why are there not people half human half something else now or show sign of evolving? Why do we continue to live shorter live spand even with the help of medicine and science?
You are asking a lot of questions here, but basically there is no need to evolve when you are at the top of the food chain. Several years? More like hundreds of thousands, millions, billions of years...numbers our brains can't fathom. And human life spans are getting longer, not shorter.
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It actually been proven already from dna that all human came from a single human female....that's been proven with dna...
Not trying to be critical of people who believe in evolution but just trying to understand why you believe in it. There are SEVERALS HOLES (alot of holes actually) in evolution that are very much unexplained that need to be explain if it wants to be proven. And please do not be upset by my comments...just trying to understand.

Like in the article "If a lie is told often enough it eventually becomes believable; it’s called propaganda"
You should hesitate when someone says something has been "proven" in science.

You website is nice, but always question what is the ulterior motive of the writer. The writer clearly is not writing in the interest of scientific exploration, but to promote a religious belief. In short, take what they say with a grain of salt. Here is a less biased look at Mitochondrial Eve, and you will find it contradicts with your writer's point.

Good science will tell you evolution will never be 100% proven. Just as we weren't there during at the dawn of the Earth or the dawn of man, we will never be able to 100% prove how things happened. However, just like in criminal court cases, there is "beyond a reasonable doubt" and scientists will tell you that the evidence is on the side of evolution beyond a reasonable doubt. It's just in science that isn't enough to call it a fact.

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Evolution doesn't work at all? Excuse me?

I'll remind you again that the field of medicine and biology rely on evolution to be true.
Maybe you didn't read the whole thing about anti-biotics (i.e. bacteria), that I already addressed some time ago. That was that Bacteria is special and passes down its genetic makeup to the next generation, thereby leaving it immune to certain changes in their habitat. Only bacteria share this trait..

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What's your point there? It's already been established that science is self-correcting.
Yea that is my point.. so to have faith in it is just as "blind" as having faith in religion.


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Sorry to sound blunt.. but that is your prejudice on it without really knowing about religions that provide plenty of logic toward the existence of a deity.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I know it quite well.



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I really don't understand your argument here. Are you dismissing the discovery because they didn't find it sooner?
What she and I mean is that we can find thousands of dinosaur skeletons but not missing links. according to you if it takes billions of years for evolution to happen. we should find more than just a handful of people claiming to find "missing links" remains.
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What she and I mean is that we can find thousands of dinosaur skeletons but not missing links. according to you if it takes billions of years for evolution to happen. we should find more than just a handful of people claiming to find "missing links" remains.
There could be a million reasons why. Maybe they all burned to ashes in a volcanic eruption. Maybe they were swallowed miles down in a earthquake. Maybe there weren't very many of them or they were located in a limited area because of predators, geography.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but I know it quite well.
What gave you the impression that i'm disappointed?

Also, if you know quite well (and your disposition so far tells me otherwise), then continue to enlighten me with what you know.


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