North Korea's nuclear test
 

OK I'll start it.

channelnewsasia.com - World fury over North Korea nuclear bomb test

What are people's reactions?

My thoughts?

The Korean war never ended and this is the result of decades of appeasement and attempted reconciliation. What we are dealing with is an oppressive regime with no regard for it's own citizens.

We've been waiting for North Korea's regime to implode for a long time... It's not going to happen anytime soon.

If the US is considering attacking North Korea then it should do so soon before North Korea actually acquires the technology to deliver a nuclear payload.

I would wholeheartedly support an attack on North Korea.

I saw this today and all I could do is frown and shake my head. I'm not too smart about politics or the codes they use on Fox News, however I saw something like B/W blah blah and Japan. I questioned it, but got no reply. Gods I don't remember exactly what it said. :(

I honestly wish something could be done. I know they mentioned that this guy (like I said I suck with politics) is cruel enough to give Osama weapons and nuclear bombs and so on. Which scares me a bit. Japan is my second home, a place I will always worry about when it comes to that stuff, even if I am in the US.

So I do hope something comes good out of this new president and he stops this idiot.

it's been described as a weapon as powerful as the bombs that dropped in japan all those year ago. I'd say it's pretty darn dangerous.

China, whose usually its ally is also expressing concerns and warnings, or so i've also heard.

Kim Jong Il=MADMAN.

I want a video. Is there any?

again sorta not
 

Before you go ahead and attack another country you should do your homework and not march off to war wether that's spreading democracy or ridding the world of another terrorist threat? Seoul , South Korea is well within range of North Korean Artillery and it is estimated without even unleashing it's nuclear arsenal, the North Koreans could reduce the capital of South Korea to rubble within minutes. If you would like to cheerlead from the sidelines from the comfort and safety behind your computer,I'm sure the people of both North and South Korea will find comfort in it, after the rubble has stopped bouncing.

Correct.

And the South Korean politics itself isn't in a good shape to antagonize against North Korea. As a South Korean, methinks if South Korea, Japan, or USA suddenly invade North Korea... South Korea will have a huge civil war along with North Korea's invasion.

Anyway I support Ronin4hire to volunteer the invasion of North Korea. Give him a ticket to South Korea or China, a rifle and a bottle of beer, boys. :rheart:

*salutes to Ronin4hire*

I'm well aware of that. It's why I suggested that someone in Washington, Seoul and Tokyo needs to make a tough decision.

But as an alternative to long-term appeasement I think it's better the US, SK and Japan strike now before things get worse.

It's all I'm saying... unless you can suggest a better long term solution.

But the long-term appeasement has been working very well in South Korea's perspective and the South Korean public will never think of proposing a military action against North Korea.

Just go with the flow: appeasement to North Korea forever and ever; better than a terrifying war that can kill over half of South Koreans... or North Korea waging a war and kill a huge number of their own civilians up north with AK-47s.

We know how North Korea treat their own civilians. And North Korea will treat them even worse when they are at a total war. The American and South Korean government know this and they are wise enough to not even consider a war with North Korea.

The American force's Yongsan base is already within the artillery range from North Korea. And it is an important hub of American force stationed in South Korea.

It is a bad time to start a war, eh? Especially when almost all of South Koreans are paying homage to a ex president who commited suicide... and he was a very North-Korean-American-friendly president.

Rest in Peace, President Roh... appeasing both America and North Korea in a very difficult fine line, without trying to offend Japan and China.

I hadn't factored in South Korean domestic politics. I'm assuming that the South Koreans have their shit together...

If there really is that much sympathy towards the North Koreans though then perhaps the US needs to wash its hands of the Korean peninsula altogether and just focus on protecting Japan.

Not since the 1950s. Ah, my parents still remember when South Korea was a de facto undemocratic Socialist country that was officially approved by the American government.

South Korea makes effort to lean America-friendly AND express some respect and appeasement to North Korea with low level civil cooperations. It is because North Korea is South Korea's other brother.

I agree with US military to get out of South Korea... and Japan. But most of the US bases are at Okinawa, how will that protect Japan's Home Islands against the possible North Korean threat?

Since my grandpa is a Korean war vet, he is very opposed about a new war with North Korea. You see why, Ronin?

Foreign vets in Korean war are too darn proud to fight the war... however, South Korean vets don't understand why the foreign vets are proud. I've seen many young people who admire those foreign vets in that war and say that there should be another war in the peninsula all over again. This is a very sad state of impression outside of South Korea.

Ronin, your little suggestion of war is a havoc. I have nothing against you, but please don't make a fool out of yourself.

Just to change the mood here, here's a very funny thing.

July 4 2006 = DPRK shoot 4 missiles.
May 25 2009 = DPRK did second nuclear experiment part deux.

All during Americans favorite holidays.

OK I see how it is.

You think that because war is bad... that justifies appeasing North Korea.

You think that because North Koreans are seen as "brothers" in that they belong to the same nation... that justifies appeasing North Korea.

I'm sorry but those are weak justifications

Whatever you may think about my support for military action against NK (and I only support them in the sense that if they were to be carried out I would support it rather than I believe military action is necessarily the best option), appeasement is not an acceptable long term policy.

Steps need to be taken to collapse the North Korean regime... this nuclear test to me, signifies that whatever steps the International community are taking and in particular, Japan, SK and USA. They are not working.

On a side note

-I don't believe you speak for the South Korean population. In fact if I remember correctly, you are an ethnic Korean but a Chinese national no? Is it possible that you're a North Korean apologist?.. Hey just asking because the above justifications are actually really weak.

Yeah real funny. :cool:

Doesn't everybody think like that? It's better than being a warmonger like you who even admit your cluelessness of South Korean domestic politics. :D

Yes, is that a problem? Just because I don't have any problem with North Korea, you assume that I have to hate a country? I even praised the deceased president Roh from my last post that I am not even antagonizing a specific country.

I'm trying to make sense in a neutral way.

Same to you.

Deal with it. You can't change South Korea's public opinion.

South Korea, China, Russia, Japan, and USA don't want to collapse the current North Korean regime. Why? It'll be a huge disaster in East Asia.

Why do you think that America don't want to invade North Korea for decades?

I'm a South Korean (born in South Korea) who still have a direct ancestry in NE China. And what's wrong with this? What's wrong with my Chinese connection?

There are lots of people like me in South Korea. What's wrong with it? Are you a racist?

Neutral. A lot of South Koreans don't like their own government. And why bother prasing North Korea as a South Korean?

Neutral is the way since both extreme sides are very unproductively negative.

And your justification is much weaker than mine.

This situation has nothing to do with South Korea, or even North Korea for that matter. Before we start talking about actions and reactions to North Korea's nuclear tests, you have to remember that the only reason there has been no real action against them is because of the interference of China and Russia.

It is China and Russia which have threatened to veto any vote of UN sanctions against North Korea, and it is because of China and Russia that America cannot take direct action.

North Korea is merely a pawn being played against the west. They move when they are told,

Not really. China and Russia don't want North Korea to collapse or else there will be a huge security crisis in both of these countries because of possible massive refugees.

Remember, the North Korean government don't respect the Chinese government and she takes this Chinese benefit for granted because China is concerned about her own security to fulfill supporting North Korea.

I totally agree with you Ronin and I can never see it happening now or into the future.

As the KCNA often reports, it is the hostile stance by the Americans that stands in the way to reconciliation between the two Koreas. That i'm afraid aint going to chage either!

I think it definitely needs to be a joing operation, although surely that is guaranteed.

I'm sure no country in the regioin would disagree with America taking the lead charge if military action gets underway.

North Korea is extremely dangerous, and unlike other similar situations as in Burma (Mynamar), you have a government who often makes threats, and now that have the "bomb", surely now is the time to do something serious about this.

You have a head of UN who is a South Korean... who don't like to see a war in his home country, South Korea, according to one of his interviews long time ago.

Along the current path, it will almost undoubted lead to an joint-military operation against North Korea. No country will stand to let themselves be threatened by an rouge-nation with the ability and the presence to potentially extort them with nuclear threat. Secondly most knowledgeable nations know exactly where this is going to end up, i.e. in the hands of someone who will actually nuke an nation. In the end this situation is coming to an head and if North Korea doesn't change, the world will change it.

It will not gonna happen. There had been this incidents several times ever since 1960s.

The South Korean public is more worried about throwing out the current South Korean president for doing a bad diplomacy to the North.

Why would North Korea bother conducting a very inconvenient war when North Korea only needs to do a passive propaganda warfare within the heart of the South Korean public? With all those political controversy in South Korea, South Korea is already fighting an indirect civil war that doesn't need North Korean military.

Wow, cold war paranoia much?
Actually, it's been said that China has also warned North Korea because those missiles and bombs are terrifyingly close to the chinese, they don't want to be bombed either.

I'm sure that many South and North Korean's don't want a war, which is fully understandable, but what are the choices?

Should the neighbours wait until he has 50 bombs?

Yes because both countries are brothers. What's wrong with the notion? Are you offended because I said about a connection between North and South Korea being brothers? By the way you word things, it seems that you don't even care about South Korea being affiliated to North Korea. Like you said last time:

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...tml#post696867

You seem to care about South Korea and considering South Korea's perspective... but you frown upon South Koreans like me who want to stay connected with North Korea?

I don't see you caring South Korea from above. Sad.

Forgive me, but I don't think you have a nice intention of opening your thread about this. It seems that you want to vent out your anger to a country opposite of the globe that is unrelated to you... well, shamefully New Zealand indeed has a full diplomatic relationship with North Korea... for a first world British Commonwealth country.

Because North Korea is not stupid enough to wage a war.

Just out of curiosity komitsuki, what is your nationality?

My partner is South Korean. Her parents house is very close to the North Korean border and she can actually see North Korea.

Her parents lease their spare land to the South Korean Army.

Obviously if a war was going to happen, the South Korean population nearest to the borders would have to be cleared for the safety of the people.

Does Ronin and other's here actually know that conscription in South Korea is a fact?

I've had some ionteresting conversations with Korean students in Cairns regarding their army service.

But how do we know?

The scariest part is that they have nuclear arsenal.

They have proven again and again that they cannot be trusted.

The negotiating phase has been exausted for to long and Kim just keeps playing mind games.

Nobody took any notice of Hitler and the build up of Germany's arsenal until it was to late!

Je suis Canadienne. Yes I switched my nationality from South Korean to Canadian. Got disqualified by the physical examination from the South Korean military because of my internal problems.

Ask them.

North Korean society is too stagnated that even a slightest change with a huge event (like a new war) will collapse North Korea. This is why you see those interesting North Korean policies.

I don't think they can even wage a war when they don't even master its own missile technology with their limited resources.

North Korean government structure doesn't know how to communicate with other "free" governments. It has been already a proven fact.

This nuclear test is also a guaranteed action for his successor, his third son, to be the next leader.

But Hitler was democratically elected. And there's a scary fact.

that's a good point and that is indeed scary.

North Korea's nuclear test at the moment coincides with ex-president Roh's funeral ceremony.

It's not a mere coincidence. North Korea knows that a sparking controversy in South Korea was formed. And North Korea just lit the fuse to bring more chain events of controversies in South Korea (like approving PSI).

North Korea doesn't need to shoot a painful single bullet to demoralize South Korea right now as of right now.

Not to mention China already warned North Korea right now.

You're an idiot... what the hell does that have to do with anything? If you think I've contradicted anything I've said in the past then by all means bring it up.

Furthermore I was implying that just because you are of the same nation does not make appeasement acceptable. I made my point... move on already. If you think I've overlooked something then address it directly please

The bolded is almost EXACTLY what I'm doing (I wouldn't say it's completely unrelated to New Zealand)... now that we've cleared that up.. let's move on shall we?

Oh by the way.... look up diplomatic relations in the dictionary.... it's a broad term. So unless there is something about New Zealand's past relationship with NK that you not only consider shameful but also relevant... then by all means bring it up. Untill then please stay on topic.

Because you mentioned it in this thread of yours.

Yes, you didn't reply anything what I said in the other similar thread.

So you perfectly admit that you want to do: vent out your anger to a country opposite of the globe that is unrelated to you

Anger? Is that all you can do from this thread and the other one? This explains why you don't want to talk seriously with me though PM.

You even PM an ignorant message to me : You want to say something then say it in the thread... I'm not replying to this.

Goodbye:ywave:

While I PM previously to you and said at the end: I have nothing against you, really. How about being calm and rational about this issue instead of being an internet tough guy across the globe like an American redneck armchair general. Please, don't make yourself bad.

I thought we were discussing about something relevant respected to the current international climate in East Asia. Not about obsession about proposing a war and becoming angry.

Okay, I'm gonna report you to the mods.

Guys - keep it civil. There is no need for name calling.
This is a warning, okay?

I think one thing is clear on this topic.

Some people think a war is a must, whilst other's believe in communication.

My feeling is, I also believe in communication, but the bottom line, for how long!

North Korea just fired two short range missiles..

But strangely, why haven't North Korea deployed short range missiles around the Yellow Sea area? North Korean never openly install any short range missiles around south western coast of North Korea. There is no serious focus of aggressive practice in North Korean military around that coastal area as well.

Only around the Eastern coast.

Even spy satellites and Google Earth know precisely of huge military installations in North Korea.

Strange, isn't it?

I'm not sure Komitsuki but tell me, how do you think South Korea should deal with the North?

Obviously you don't agree with any war/attack scenario, but let's be realistic on our thought's and think, what happens if the North suddenly fires a nuclear missile at the South?

I mean is this going to be a case of first in best dressed?

It all seems/feels very dangeous, or do you honestly believe it's an over reaction?

Why on earth did you become a Canadian citizen?

We will get my partner's permanant residence visa, but no need for citizenship?

Did that mean you had to forego your Korean citizenship, or can you hold dual?

The missiles are not meant to be used against the South. The nuclear fallout will also devastate parts of North Korea if it happens due to the mountainous terrain going north and south. It's too close to throw a nuke.

And all of the times, the nuclear program is targeted against Japan or USA. So far, the current ballistic missile development is more aiming at USA. It is because it no longer focuses short range missiles.

Don't panic because North Korea is better off demoralizing South Korea with political controversies... than an actual war.

Pointless overreaction. It's been like this since the 1960s. What more do you expect?

Ask several Korean guys who immigrated.

Perm residence for 5 years and boom, I'm Canadian.

You have a Korean partner and don't know this? Well, South Korea doesn't accept dual. It's simple, right?

Havent been around much but i see its business as usual around here. ;)

Sigh the way i see it this is no different than any other time North Korea has screamed for attention. They are upset because the west think they fired a missile a short time ago but they argue it was satellite being put into space for peaceful reasons and want an apology. Sooooo in order to get an apology they fire surface to air, surface to ship missile and conduct a nuclear test. If these actions dont scream look at me look at me i dont know what does.

I am not concerned because this is just an endless waltz that plays to the tune of North Korea. Same shit different shovel.

I do not support an attack on North Korea unless they pull the trigger first no good will come of it and only the civilians will be the ones to feel the brunt of it.

"The more things change the more they stay the same"