Bullying

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by JayT

EXACTLY! LOL,
I recall seeing that in a movie,
but I can't remember the title!

Or the ones that give you 'wedgies' and hang you up on fences.
I've never encountered this before.

I have encountered some thug-students while I attended a public middle school in LA. They were mostly Hispanic, I'd see them gang up on kids and steal their shoes and such.

A thug is a criminal through organized crime. Why do you think they're thugs?

Anyway, bullying goes beyond the overweight people who physically abuse others. Bullying can be verbal and is often psychological. Look at cyber-bullying, for example, and think about the mother than cyber-bullied a girl so much that she ended up killing herself.

[jdragon]

Originally Posted by mercedesjin

Even here on this forum, I've seen what people can get like when they decide that someone has a flaw, and so - as a group - they attack that person, if only to feel stronger.

Yeah that is true from what I've seen & read..it's easy for people here & anywhere on the internet to hide behind their computer screen and spit insult at others. And, in real life its easy for people to hide behind their demeanor & their attitude...
Whether in real life or in cyberspace, it's still pathetic>_<.

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by jdragon

Yeah that is true from what I've seen & read..it's easy for people here & anywhere on the internet to hide behind their computer screen and spit insult at others. And, in real life its easy for people to hide behind their demeanor & their attitude...
Whether in real life or in cyberspace, it's still pathetic>_<.

Yeah, it's too true.

[JayT]

Originally Posted by mercedesjin

A thug is a criminal through organized crime. Why do you think they're thugs?

Anyway, bullying goes beyond the overweight people who physically abuse others. Bullying can be verbal and is often psychological. Look at cyber-bullying, for example, and think about the mother than cyber-bullied a girl so much that she ended up killing herself.

People that do drugs, fail in school, listen to 'gangsta rap', wear baggy clothes, rock fake 'bling', beat on little kids are pretty much thugs to me.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by jdragon

Yeah that is true from what I've seen & read..it's easy for people here & anywhere on the internet to hide behind their computer screen and spit insult at others. And, in real life its easy for people to hide behind their demeanor & their attitude...
Whether in real life or in cyberspace, it's still pathetic>_<.

Insulting someone online and bullying aren't the same thing, necessarily. I see cyber-bullying more as humiliating someone publicly using the Internet to do it. I think most cyber-bullying happens with people that also know each other in real life, so the bullying can have real impact.

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by JayT

People that do drugs, fail in school, listen to 'gangsta rap', wear baggy clothes, rock fake 'bling', beat on little kids are pretty much thugs to me.

Wow. That's pretty much a huge judgment on one of today's popular culture. Listening to rap music, failing school, wearing jewelry, and wearing baggy clothes doesn't make someone a criminal. Those qualities really don't deserve to be put in the same category as "beating on little kids" and "doing drugs." I work with kids who are a part of that culture, innocent kids who are human beings just like you and me. They laugh, they cry, they have dreams. It kind of hurts me that you've basically said that they're criminals just because they're apparently not of the same culture as you.

Also, just curious: if you saw a white person doing all of that, would you think they were thugs also?

[MMM]

I read his list as inclusive, and included beating up on kids.

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by MMM

Insulting someone online and bullying aren't the same thing, necessarily. I see cyber-bullying more as humiliating someone publicly using the Internet to do it. I think most cyber-bullying happens with people that also know each other in real life, so the bullying can have real impact.

Insulting a person is a form of attempting to isolate one person by exposing qualities that are supposedly negative. Isolation on forums such as these is basically the same psychological set-up as being isolated in real-life society. When someone goes out of their way to isolate someone socially, then that's bullying.

One petty insult isn't really bullying in real life either, but when someone constantly goes out of their way to insult another person and make that person feel down, then yes - that is cyber-bullying, in the same way that it's bullying in real life.

Humiliation is also a big part of it, but if someone feels isolates on a forum like these, then they'll most likely feel pretty humiliated. When it comes to people knowing the victim, I'm not sure if that's necessary for cyber-bullying. There are many college online communities, for example, where students will go online anonymously and insult their peers. Many people are ganged up on and bullied on these communities, but they never know who it is that does it.

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by MMM

I read his list as inclusive, and included beating up on kids.

Oh, beating up on kids is definitely something a thug would do. However, to me, he suggested that doing the other things are also "thuggish," meaning that it's comparable to beating up on kids and that, the people who are of that popular culture, are the type of people who would beat up on kids.

[Koir]

Originally Posted by mercedesjin

Wow. That's pretty much a huge judgment on one of today's popular culture. Listening to rap music, failing school, wearing jewelry, and wearing baggy clothes doesn't make someone a criminal. Those qualities really don't deserve to be put in the same category as "beating on little kids" and "doing drugs." I work with kids who are a part of that culture, innocent kids who are human beings just like you and me. They laugh, they cry, they have dreams. It kind of hurts me that you've basically said that they're criminals just because they're apparently not of the same culture as you.

Also, just curious: if you saw a white person doing all of that, would you think they were thugs also?

This post pretty much encapsulates to me what the ulterior motive of this thread is.