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10-11-2009, 05:18 PM

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President Obama didn't do anything. Weren't other nominies actually doing something life threatening and dangerous for the sake of their country and for themselves?
sigh No trying reading it again and try learning about the process of how and why the noble peace prize is awarded. It is not always awarded for what a person has done, it his not as simple as just risking your life there were over 200 nominees not all of them were risking their life for something also why would they present an award to you for doing something for yourself?

You see Noodle this is what im talking about. Im not aggravated at people complaints over him getting the awarded im aggravated over the fact that people have time to sit and read a post about whats happening in the world but dont have time to actually READ the how's and why's several post here just seem like jumping on the band wagon.


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10-11-2009, 05:46 PM

He gave hope to a lot of people... but it wasn't Nobel Prize-worthy.


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10-11-2009, 07:37 PM

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Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Who are "the wrong people?"
America's Enemies.

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I don't understand these catch phrases. Can you please explain?
Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi... you know... Gaddafi... 400k "Obama to disburse $2.5 million in economic aid to Libya, including $400,000 for Qaddafi's foundations. Of the $400,000 half will go to a foundation run by the leader's son, Saif, and the other half to one run by his daughter, Aisha."

A growing weakness on the international stage. Not since Carter has there ever been such a display to the world. This enboldens America's enemies.
Would you like me to list these demonstrations, or do you deny that any exists.

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Either Obama has done nothing, or he has done "socialist acts". So yes, you really need to list them. So far I have heard that Obama has done nothing, so I would really like to hear about the "socialist acts" he has actually accomplished.
I'm not sure I follow you. Accomplishments do not equal socialistic acts.
Well.... that is... last time I checked the constitution.

* The happy go-lucky Swedish have been quoted saying even they wouldn't be prepared to bail out and own car factories.

* That little nationalized health care plan be proposed that has been proven to be unsustainable we can't afford

* Wealth distribution .... demonstrated best by cash for clunkers.

* The president has admitted that he doesn't believe in trickle down economics.

* Government dependency programs growing

* Call for more government regulation

* Government spending was 37% of GDP in 2008... I fear what new highs this year will reach.

* Bailouts: They are privatizing gains and socializing losses.

* Don't get me started on what is being taught in public schools.


and the list goes on...
More?


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Spending 2 million dollars to try and land the Olympics is probably conservative compared to how much Japan and Brazil spent...but what is the problem? Please explain why advocating for the Olympics to be held in America is a bad thing.
The olympics *rarely* turn a profit... they do the opposite. Especially in corrupt city such as Chicago..
Especially in the situation the US is in for many years to come.
It was an excuse for the fed government to write itself a check, and have future adminsitration blame past administrations when it fails while they line their pockets.
Chicago has got its issues aline...



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Let's hear your better speech. I assume you have graduated high school. Where did Obama and his wife mess up?
I take it then you didn't read it because you wouldn't need to ask would you.

Here you go..

The preview:

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Michelle Obama: It's a 'sacrifice' to travel to Europe to pitch for the Olympics. But I'm doing it for the kids. | Washington Examiner

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President Obama, Michelle Obama's 2016 Olympics Speeches: Full Transcript

Why would the OLC give a hoot about their kids or michelle sitting on her Dad's lap when she was 20.

"Not just as a mother raising two beautiful young women to embrace athleticism and pursue their full potential. I'm also asking as a daughter. See, my dad would have been so proud to witness these Games in Chicago. And I know they would have meant something much more to him, too. You see, in my dad's early thirties, he was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. And as he got sicker, it became harder for him to walk, "...
The fail boat has docked already...

The president basically was also just ... "its not about me" but yeah... it really is...
Walk with him on a journey to the olympics in Chicagoo... blah blah..
Read it and ask me again with a straight face.
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FOX "News" is a conservative spout. They aren't even shy about it. Pardon my direct statement, but only morons consider FOX "News" to be fair and bipartisan. This is standard operations. People that quote FOX "News" are in a different category from people that get their news from more reliable sources. Don't get me wrong, FOX "News" is incredibly entertaining.
Basically your statement of Fox news in itself isn't fair or bipartisan. There are conservative independents and democrats you know...

Say what you will ... they are the media that are changing other major media sources. ABC and CNN refused to cover Acorn corruption and Van Jones until they couldn't play it down any more. The white house is tied to CNN/ABC/CBS so tightly that heads roll when anything really negative against the administration is uncovered and put out by these media giants. Its changing though for the better; which is wonderful ... recent Detroit and Chicago are examples of this....


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Again, I don't know what you are really saying. The majority of government officials do not live like "rock stars" but I would love to hear more about that.
Government officials only treat themselves to the best at the expense of tax payers is what I was trying to get across. They are the true definition of elitism.


here is a stat top of the google lookup....
Government salaries vs. private sector salaries - CNN.com

Most of them can't even be bothered to read bills they pass.
Look at the amount of vacation and pay...

You say "do not"... back it up my friend.
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Ill post this quote again, because Im not sure anyone really read it.

"Oftentimes, the winners are people who have not completed their work toward peace, but who are at a critical juncture in their work and who need the support that winning the Nobel Peace Prize brings."

And I still am not anywhere near convinced that he is a socialist. I have heard many arguments saying he is a socialist, but none have many facts. Health care is a big one that people call him a socialist for, I don't get it.

And just becuase Fox news has had the balls to report something a couple times doesn't mean they do it all the time or are perfect. They report many false thing as well. Plus some of their "newscasters" report opinions not facts.


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10-11-2009, 10:03 PM

Nobel Peace Prize should be earned period.
Not for something you're in a "critical juncture" for.
Carter got the award also for being in a critical juncture cause he didn't did sh!t for this country.

MLK Jr. earned it
Mother Teresa earned it

Noble Peace Prize is a lost cause now.
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10-11-2009, 10:27 PM

Clint, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. I could go back through point by point, but the little issues are not on topic and we are basically getting into opinion on both sides.

Regardless, let's hope that this award leads to the president helping make the world a better place. I think we can all agree to that.
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Ill post this quote again, because Im not sure anyone really read it.

"Oftentimes, the winners are people who have not completed their work toward peace, but who are at a critical juncture in their work and who need the support that winning the Nobel Peace Prize brings."

And I still am not anywhere near convinced that he is a socialist. I have heard many arguments saying he is a socialist, but none have many facts. Health care is a big one that people call him a socialist for, I don't get it.

And just becuase Fox news has had the balls to report something a couple times doesn't mean they do it all the time or are perfect. They report many false thing as well. Plus some of their "newscasters" report opinions not facts.
11 days into his Presidency is not far enough along to be at a "critical juncture" to be nominated. 9 months in is not long enough to have earned winning it. If he'd been working at it for decades, maybe I could see it, but not a mere 9 months, and definitely not 11 days.

Socialism means the government takes over doing things, deciding things, and running things from the private sector. They are the ones that make the decisions under socialism, not the people. Whether it is creating a government-run healthcare system, or requiring everyone to buy health insurance and being punished with thousands of dollars in additional taxes if you don't comply, that is government making the decisions. That's socialism.

No one said Fox is "perfect", but they are a heck of a lot better than the sycophants at ABC, CBS, CNN, and (MS)NBC. They might as well be a state-run media, for all their objectivity toward him, and they unabashedly did everything they could to get him elected and to not report on any scandals.









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10-11-2009, 10:41 PM

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Clint, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. I could go back through point by point, but the little issues are not on topic and we are basically getting into opinion on both sides.

Regardless, let's hope that this award leads to the president helping make the world a better place. I think we can all agree to that.
In general terms yes, but what constitutes "a better place" may not be the same. I see unilateral American disarmament at a time when rogue nations are acquiring nuclear weapons, appeasement of evil, apology tours, socialist policies that are ruining our economy and taking away our freedoms, and retreat from the global war on terrorists to be making the world a worse place, not better, but that's exactly the kind of stuff this award was meant to encourage...


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Forget the "11 days" argument. It isn't true. Nominations ended in February, and then several months go by as the committee mulls it's decision.
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Forget the "11 days" argument. It isn't true. Nominations ended in February, and then several months go by as the committee mulls it's decision.
His nomination was just 11 days after taking office. That is true. And he had done absolutely nothing in 11 days to warrant a nomination. It's like a movie being nominated for an Academy Award 11 days into filming... even if the actual decision came a little later, it should never have been nominated in the first place, no matter how good you think the finished product will be!


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