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10-09-2009, 08:49 PM

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I'm sorry, but only an Obama fanatic would say something like that... Him winning the prize is a joke because he hasn't actually achieved anything yet. Granted there is a lot of hope and he is working towards a lot of things, but so are other people in the world. A prize this prestigious should be held solely for people that have actually achieved some sort of world changing *can't think of the word*...
Exactly, Let's go a bit and take Obama out of the picture and only look at the office and it's accomplishments so far (Obama's but without him). What I'm trying to say it's not about Obama and his character, but the fact that the office he holds hasn't done anything yet.

What this says about the process is if they like you, you have a huge chance to get the prize over someone else, i.e. charismatic wins the day over hard work.

I read (a headline) this last night on yahoo, and did not believe it, I thought it was more of a "what if" situation. I couldn't think if any accomplishments that warrant him to getting the award. I would even say Jimmy Carter was more deserving (having spent his post-President working on middle east peace). I don't agree with some of the things Carter has done, but I could see where the prize would be awarding to his actions. I don't see this with what Obama has done so far. You don't give a prize for future accomplishments, you give prize then.

It's like your favorite team not even playing and getting the win, when you don't know if they would've won or not.

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I'd still say "congratulations" regardless and then go on about my business.
Not the point, it was a response to this, "two sides of the same coin" would be the phrase here.

It's just like people cheering when the US didn't get the Olympics as an "in your face" to Obama without realizing that it was bad for America. That's how much some people hate him. So what you are going to hear is how the prize is a joke, meaningless, etc. to try and diminish its significance.


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10-09-2009, 09:03 PM

About my only reaction to the news was: "Huh? Did he even apply for it?"


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10-09-2009, 09:45 PM

What are you guys talking about?
Obama has changed the world for the better,
So many great achievements already! He definitely deserves to be among the great prize holders. Martin Luther King? Psh.. Are our troops not home? Is this 'war' in the middle east not over?

Ohh wait.. Nothing has changed.





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10-10-2009, 12:53 AM

Some of you speak in such absolutes without looking at the larger picture. The prize isn't given necessarily for achievements done, but for moving in a better direction.

I think Americans should be proud their president has earned this award, but maybe that is just me.

First of all, the prize is not chosen in February. Nominations for winners close in February, and after that there are many months of eliminating (there were 205 nominees this time) before a decision is made.

Also to say that Ghandi never got the Nobel Peace Prize, and therefore it is meaningless is silly. The year Ghandi was nominated he died, and the committee therefore decided there was no other worthy winner, and gave it to no one that year.

Although we may not see it domestically, Obama has very much changed the image of America in the world.

To those who say Obama has done "nothing" he has launched a plan to eliminate nuclear weapons in the world. He has reached out to Islam, making it clear that terrorists do not equal Muslims. He made a powerful stand with allies in the U.N. meeting recently against nuclear proliferation in Iran and N. Korea, and got the UN Security Council to pass a resolution to get nuclear states to eliminate weapons.

The Prize committee said he was not awarded just for his achievements but his vision and inspiring hope. Maybe that doesn't seem substantive to you, but if you are a Obama hater nothing will.
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10-10-2009, 01:07 AM

The Nobel Peace Prize has basically became the Liberal of the Year award these past decades. Obama has not done anything significant to improve my country since he has taken office, except taking nearly half of my work check and giving it to people who don't want to work. He is also going to force me to buy health insurance and if I don't he and the IRS are going to tax me 3000 dollars at the end of the year.

Change my @ss

But if he won something, then congrats to my President.
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10-10-2009, 01:08 AM

lol, come on dude... Don't try to make people look like Obama haters just because they're against this Prize... The simple fact is; giving hope to Americans and a bunch of looney foreigners (and yes, the majority of foreign supporters are pretty crazy! My sister in-law and her family are a perfect example; they love him because he's the first Black President... CRAZY People!) isn't worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize in the eyes of most people... Especially neutral people!

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Obama has not done anything significant to improve my country since he has taken office, except taking nearly half of my work check and giving it to people who don't want to work. He is also going to force me to buy health insurance and if I don't he and the IRS are going to tax me 3000 dollars at the end of the year.
I would like to hear about the new policies that Obama single-handedly enacted that takes more money from your paycheck.

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national healthcare. Do you want to stop paying for police and fire, too? How about interstate highways? All socialist acts that force people to pay.
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lol, come on dude... Don't try to make people look like Obama haters just because they're against this Prize... The simple fact is; giving hope to Americans and a bunch of looney foreigners (and yes, the majority of foreign supporters are pretty crazy! My sister in-law and her family are a perfect example; they love him because he's the first Black President... CRAZY People!) isn't worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize in the eyes of most people... Especially neutral people!
Why are you against this prize?

He got the prize because he is inspirational, but if you are inspired by him, then you must be crazy? nice.
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10-10-2009, 01:18 AM

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Why are you against this prize?

He got the prize because he is inspirational, but if you are inspired by him, then you must be crazy? nice.
Please, MMM. Don't try to twist my words... First of all, I said the majority of people are pretty crazy... Not every foreign Obama supporter IS crazy! If you don't like it, then I'm sorry, that's how it is! You'll find that most of these people that are "inspired" by Obama don't have a clue about his policies... They love him for absolutely different reasons to what I assume an American citizen would!

I'm against this prize because I think there are more deserving people. Heck, I would have been happier to see Bill Gates and his wife get it! They've done a lot more for the world than Obama has so far!

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10-10-2009, 01:27 AM

The Nobel Peace Prize is a rather unusual award. Winners are not selected by the normal Nobel committee in Sweden, but by a politically appointed commitee in Norway. I've not taken the Peace Prize to be worth the metal it is made of since it was awarded to Jimmy Carter and Al Gore.

Even some Obama supporters (including my girlfriend) are wondering exactly why it was he won the prize. He's given countless eloquent speeches about how things should be, and the things that we should do. But he's be awful short on the actual "doing". Troops are still in Iraq, it looks like an additional 40,000 troops may be called up to fight in Afghanistan, and wartime spending is now at an all-time high. Guantanamo will not be closed by the promised deadline, and the deadlines for passing health care legislation have also not been met.

Obama's deal with Russia to reduce nuclear warheads sounds good on the surface, but it really amounts to less than a 10% reduction, and will still leave both countries with thousands of warheads. Instead of there being enough bombs to destroy the world 100 times over, we'll now only be able to destroy it 90 times.

Reaching out to Muslims was a good idea, but many Muslims feel his actions are hypocritical. Muslim terror attacks have not decreased, and Afghanistan continues to destabilize.

The only reason Obama won this prize is because the Norwegian Nobel committee agrees with his politics, just as they agreed with Gore's and Carter's.

Many people were nominated for this prize, people who were not famous politicians. People who did good for the world by helping others with their actions and not just with words. Giving Obama the prize was a snub to those who were much more deserving of it.

I think the Peace Prize should not be awarded by the Norwegian committee. It should be awarded by the Swedish committee, which awards prizes based on genuine merit.
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