'The End of Hope and Change'

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by Tsuwabuki

85% of Americans happy with their health insurance? I have met exactly one American in the last four years who is happy with their current care.

That number has been bandied around, but I've never seen any direct evidence of its truth. All direct evidence I have suggests the opposite: the vast majority of Americans are decidedly unhappy about the cost of healthcare in America.

I know I am.

No one is happy with the rising cost of healthcare in the US. The poll was about how many are satisfied with their health insurance. Try to keep up. Cost of health care, cost of health insurance, quality of care, quality of insurance... there is a difference and the quality is going down while the costs are going to continue to go up. The bill doesn't address this.

No direct evidence?

Its 95% of the 85% who have insurance who are happy with it. The 85% is figure is a scientific poll thats been around for a year... just google it.

Here is a fancy CNN poll for you done in a nice offical document:
http://www.americanhealthsolution.or...-Coverage2.pdf

Soooo in your personal polls of Americans you met over 4 years, does the 4 years begin before or after you been in Japan?

I doubt anyone gives a damn about your poll of Americans you have met in Rural Kyoto in the past 2-3 years about those who are not involved in the system anymore, nor are probably old enough to really use health care. More less the poll of encounters of whatever you did before that.
Ask some Canadians or some from the UK while you are at it.
Sorry.. I'm going with the scientific polls (plural) versus your opinion of your drinking buddies.

Once the system starts to crumble, and Doctors retire early or simply leave the country to make a living, lets see how it affects the rest of the world who line up for American technolgy in health care.

shite... it passed...

92% of Americans now are covered and the soul of American has been sold. So... 10-15% were without insurance before becuase they didn't want it or they gambled without it, now we can cover 2%-7% more? Just wait until all the pork starts to fly..and the impact of this bill sinks in.

haha executive order as a promise to Pro-life... did he write that on a napkin?

Smoke 'em if you got them folks...
I'm done.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Smoke 'em if you got them folks...

If I had a nice Cuban Cohiba or a Montecristo I would be smoking it right now.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by MMM

If I had a nice Cuban Cohiba or a Montecristo I would be smoking it right now.

Yes, a cuban would be suitable for such a socialistic communist occasion.

Me... Vodka...

Enjoy comrades.

A footnote:
The Senate has to complete reconcilliation before this bill can go forward. As the bill stands, all the big bucks bribes are still in the Senate bill. What the House did tonight, despite all the hooting and shouting, is agree to pass whatever comes out of the reconcilliation process. If the Senate changes things too much, the bill has to go back to the house to be voted on again. Wouldn't that be fun and interesting.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by clintjm

Yes, a cuban would be suitable for such a socialistic communist occasion.

Me... Vodka...

Enjoy comrades.

Don't forget Marxist, Maoist and gosh-darn Anti-American.

Cheers, Salud, Kampai and На здоровье!

[Tsuwabuki]

Public option, public option, yay, yay, yay! Got the news on the Shinkansen.

Also, clintjm, that four years is in America. Your scientific poll reflects not at all Americans I have spoken to in New Mexico, Texas, Illinois, Georgia...

You can keep your pissy tone to yourself, too. I'm tired of you making assumptions, tossing them in the face of anyone who disagrees with you or questions your conclusions, and then acting like a total jerk about the debate. Stop attacking the person for expressing opinions you disagree with.