Sickening Japanese porn - Pretty much SFW

[GoNative]

Not the thread to discuss it. Start a new one if you really want to.

[cranks]

Originally Posted by GoNative

Cranks what happens in other countries makes little difference to how I feel about children being used as objects for pornography. Specifically having magazines and movies of underage children in provacative poses is wrong as far as I'm concerned whatever country it's found in. I'm sure you might be able to find worse examples from other countries but that doesn't make it right.
I did not automatically assume Japan is retarded. I live here and see something like children being depitcted provacatively for the purposes of pornography and I think it's bad. If I saw something similar in any other country I was in I would think it's bad. It's nothing to do with specifically making it out that Japan is the only place it happens, I just happen to live here.

In terms of rape I believe the Japanese courts and police are barely at the same level of where most western courts were at in the 70's. We all know that in years gone by reporting of rape in the west was minimal because women were generally treated abysmally through the whole process of pressing charges and going to court and often felt they themselves were on trial rather than the accused. They were made to relive the entire experience in front of the accussed and every decision they made was brought into question as though they played a part in bringing it upon themselves. I believe Japan is in a similar position currently and a large portion of rapes go unreported for this reason.

I'm not the only person around who believes there needs to be a massive overhaul of the Japanese legal system. There is a large movement from Japanese lawyers and many other rights groups here in Japan and there has been considerable pressure from institutions like the UN to overhaul it's system. It's not just the laws themselves that need to be overhauled but it's the way the courts work. The incredible reliance on confessions is a real worry when the police can hold people without charge for long periods and no legal reprasentative is allowed to be present during questioning and no recording of the interviews are kept. And it's often at the expense of building cases on physical and forensic evidence. Without the confession they often have little to go on and the case never gets to court.

This article gives one rape victims perspective and a look at the issues for women who are raped in Japan. It also shows that according to the Justice Ministry only 11% of sexual crimes are reported. Rights groups believe it's even worse than that.

Victims finally learning to speak out against Japan’s outdated rape laws

Sure in places like Australia rapes still occurs but much has been done to assist the victims to encourage them to seek justice. In Japan that has really yet to happen. Again this is not about Japan bashing, it's just there are many aspects about the legal system here that are frankly archaic and concerning. It's not just concerning from a foreigners point of view, many Japanese are also very concerned and I'm not expressing any attitude here that isn't also expressed by many Japanese.

Finally I don't live in Australia anymore so what happens there is not overly my concern. And what happens in Australia doesn't make any difference to the issues present in Japan. If it's worse in other parts of the world what does that mean to me? I live Japan so what happens here is far more concerning to me especially for things like rape since I'm raising a daughter here.

I'm really sleepy so I don't think I can come up with a very good post. I'll come back tomorrow but just a quick one.

Are you saying that 70 times more rape cases shown by The United Nations is all just coverup and it has NOTHING relevant? 10 percent of 70 times is still 7 times. And this isn't even my point. It's the fact that you automatically said Japan was like western counties "years ago" before checking all the facts. You could get the data by the UN in 10 seconds if you googled it. I KNOW you didn't know much about the crime rate in Japan and you just made a, prejudiced, assumption.

My English brain totally understands what you are trying to condemn. But my Japanese brain is saying it doesn't have much ground.

Yeah, using children for pornography is horrifying. But more brutal, direct, child abuse is abundant in the west than in Japan. I don't have any problem if you are culturally Japanese and condem it from a JAPANESE POINT OF VIEW. But you said that Japan was like western counties "years ago" and that has no logical ground. You didn't even know that Australia has 70 times the rape rate. Did you? Why all of the sudden Japanese pornography concerns you? Or will you say 70 times is completely bogus, and Australia actually has lower rape rate than Japan despite the number?

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by cranks

I'm really sleepy so I don't think I can come up with a very good post. I'll come back tomorrow but just a quick one.

Are you saying that 70 times more rape cases shown by The United Nations is all just coverup and it has NOTHING relevant? 10 percent of 70 times is still 7 times. And this isn't even my point. It's the fact that you automatically said Japan was like western counties "years ago" before checking all the facts. I KNOW you didn't know that much about the crime rate in Japan but you made an assumption.

My English brain totally understands what you are trying to condemn. But my Japanese brain is saying it has no much ground.

What is your point though cranks?? Rapes occur in Australia so as an Australian I shouldn't make any comment on how rape is handled and viewed in Japan? I just don't get this kind of argument. I don't live in Australia, I live here so I'm concerned about what happens here. What has Australia got to do with it?
If I was in Australia I would condemn any issues that I felt were unfair in the treatment of rape victims there. I don't live there, I live here.

It's the system that leads to the following that concerns me and I would think would be of concern to anyone regardless of nationality.

In 2006, Japan’s Gender Equality Bureau released a study titled “Violence Between Men and Women.” Of the 1,578 female respondents, 7.2% said they had been raped “at least once.” Sixty-seven percent of these rapes were perpetrated by someone the victim “knew well,” and 19% by someone they had “seen before.” Only 5.3% of the victims reported the crime to the police — around 6 people out of 114 cases. Of those who remained silent, nearly 40% said they didn’t step forward because they were “embarrassed.”

There is something wrong with the system when so few rape victims report the crime.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by GoNative

Not quite in the same category as what you can readily get here. I agree those beauty paegents there are ridiculous though.

I agree, it is different. However it is still turning children into mini-adults, which has an implicit degree of sexualization. Don't get me wrong, I think both are messed up.

[GoNative]

And cranks I probably know more about crime rates in Japan than you do. Not only do I actually live here but the low crime rates, especially in places like rural Hokkaido where I live, are one of the reasons I love living here. That doesn't mean there are no issues with how things like rape and child pornography are dealt with here.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by GoNative

And cranks I probably know more about crime rates in Japan than you do. Not only do I actually live here but the low crime rates, especially in places like rural Hokkaido where I live, are one of the reasons I love living here. That doesn't mean there are no issues with how things like rape and child pornography are dealt with here.

I agree, and think we need to look at cultural aspects as well. Are Australian women more likely to report rapes than Japanese women? Is the definition of rape the same in both countries?

Ultimately any rape and any child exploitation should make us up in arms. It doesn't matter where there is more or less, it's all bad.

[thatkid]

The Japanese porn industry alone contributes so much to their economy. They rake in three times as much as Americas. As objectionable as some genres of porn may be, without it, Japan would not have progressed the way they have economically speaking. And all of the rape sold there as far as i have "researched" *cough* is staged and at least they aren't openly marketing full on nude 13 year old girls. So what if a few million a year bust a node over some sadistic fantasies involving bondage and molestation. At least they aren't repressing it. I mean what would the fat guy in his sweats do without it? "you know I think I might bound gag then rape my next door neighbors daughter. hm, sounds swell."

[cranks]

Originally Posted by GoNative

What is your point though cranks?? Rapes occur in Australia so as an Australian I shouldn't make any comment on how rape is handled and viewed in Japan? I just don't get this kind of argument. I don't live in Australia, I live here so I'm concerned about what happens here. What has Australia got to do with it?
If I was in Australia I would condemn any issues that I felt were unfair in the treatment of rape victims there. I don't live there, I live here.

It's the system that leads to the following that concerns me and I would think would be of concern to anyone regardless of nationality.

Well, you clearly said that Japan is behind. If you TRUELY thought Australia doesn't matter, you wouldn't have even mentioned it. Have I EVER hinted Japan is more advanced except for the times I purposely did it to show how arrogant it looked?

You DID compare Japan to Australia. Then it SHOULD be compared to Australia. I'm not saying I hate you or anything. It's nice to talk to guys like you and that's why I hang out here. I just want to say if you want to dismiss 70 times the rape rate, you will need a very good explanation for it. 5 % of 70 times is still more than 3 times. And that's assuming Australian rape cases are reported 100% which I don't think sounds very convincing. Is it?

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by GoNative

I'm implying that using children for the purposes of pornography is wrong. I don't care what country you are talking about or what culture differences there may be. I believe in universal rghts for children not to be used in pornography. I don't believe that's purely a western concept.

Then I would agree with you.

However I don't know what the comparison with Australia or the US was for.

I mean unless child pornography is legal in Japan and I'm unaware of it.

[GoNative]

It is legal to have children pose provacatively in underwear and swim wear and there are whole magazines and films devoted to this genre. It is why this thread started. Kids are used here in the production of soft porn. It is a bit of a loophole in the law that the lumbering legal system here has yet to close. This is where the comparison with Australia and the US came in.