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[godwine]

Originally Posted by RealJames

seriously informative, thank you for that! It made for great conversation with some of my friends here!

And definitely added some intelligent around a completely senseless thread....

[bluejeanslady]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

If this thread is nothing but people insulting each other, I will close it and start passing out the temp bans.

This is the final warning. I don`t care who started what.

but you see who is continuing this, look at the last comment from termogard .. he seems to be psycho ... he dosnt stop to disturb my thread ...

[dogsbody70]

goodbye bluejeans.

[bluejeanslady]

Originally Posted by dogsbody70

goodbye bluejeans.

nix goodbye, i am still here .....

Originally Posted by GoNative

Once again the Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK is a voice of reason in a world of madness.

well, we will see in near future ... words are easy .. we all hope that they will solve the problem .. here in germany we get complete other information, that it is more and more out of control and nothing is saved .. and today the newest is : the radiated people are not allowed to get into the helping points .. so they are alone standing in the middle of the street without anything in winter temperature without any help ... thats cruel ... the radiated people are out of society ... typical for such a system .. what is this man saying to this point !?! ... i think it will get out of control in near future .. but of course i hope there will be an happy end because earth quake, tsunami and radiation is enough for those poor people there, too much ... but i fear its to optimistic ...

Originally Posted by termogard

First of all - this is not your thread as well as this is not your forum, my dear poor and naive housewife from a God-forgotten european cattle farm

you havent to told me anything, tweety .. are you working for tepco - it sounds like this ?! ...

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by bluejeanslady

well, we will see in near future ... words are easy .. we all hope that they will solve the problem .. here in germany we get complete other information, that it is more and more out of control and nothing is saved .. and today the newest is : the radiated people are not allowed to get into the helping points .. so they are alone standing in the middle of the street without anything in winter temperature without any help ... thats cruel ... the radiated people are out of society ... typical for such a system .. what is this man saying to this point !?! ... i think it will get out of control in near future .. but of course i hope there will be an happy end because earth quake, tsunami and radiation is enough for those poor people there, too much ... but i fear its to optimistic ...

No such thing has occurred.
Your sources are unreliable, lies, or non-existent.
The only thing you've said which might be factual is that such nonsense is being reported in germany.
You are propagating false rumors and gossip.
You are rude and insulting even to the very victims of this catastrophe.
Get some perspective of yourself and what you are doing, check your facts.
A person with such a loud mouth as yours and so much passion for informing others could do much good if just a little more effort went into finding the truth.

[GoNative]

Originally Posted by bluejeanslady

well, we will see in near future ... words are easy .. we all hope that they will solve the problem .. here in germany we get complete other information, that it is more and more out of control and nothing is saved .. and today the newest is : the radiated people are not allowed to get into the helping points .. so they are alone standing in the middle of the street without anything in winter temperature without any help ... thats cruel ... the radiated people are out of society ... typical for such a system .. what is this man saying to this point !?! ... i think it will get out of control in near future .. but of course i hope there will be an happy end because earth quake, tsunami and radiation is enough for those poor people there, too much ... but i fear its to optimistic ...

Words are easy when you are a nobody on the internet. Words are not so easy when you are the Chief Scientific Advisor for the UK and are advising ex-pats living in Tokyo about the situation. In such a role your words carry a lot of responsibility and would be carefully chosen based on the best scientific advice available. When will you finally realise that the sources of information you are using are totally and completely innacurate??

[steel]

Has anyone read this?

Marketing Japan: How the Tokyo Panic Started Amongst US Citizens Despite the Evidence

FRIDAY, MARCH 25, 2011

How the Tokyo Panic Started Amongst US Citizens Despite the Evidence

An insider comments about how the panic began in Tokyo for Americans. "Old news but some background you might be interested in ... how and why these stupid voluntary evacuations got started...."


How some of the panic started despite the evidence. As I indicated earlier the first Town Hall meeting chaired by the US Ambassador on the 15th was poorly executed with little real information and uncomfortable disclosures such as weak contingency plans for evacuation (eg travel vouchers were indicated in the initial plan) and poor planning (eg they admitted a shortage of Potassium Iodate pills). People on the Compound were nervous for good reason.

The second Town Hall on the 16th was much more successful. The Ambassador was able to confidently indicate there was no real danger for Tokyo residents even in a worst case scenario and this was backed with the qualified opinion of over 30 US nuclear disaster experts who had flown to Japan. Also, they announced installation of the Compound's own radiation monitor which indicated levels were within very acceptable limits.

However it did not help that during this time, the Political Minister Counselor Robert S Luke made quiet arrangements for his family to be evacuated. Of course this leaked. His wife, Ayumi Nakada, even posted it on her blog. Duh! Therefore many families felt that if the Lukes were evacuating, something must be up. And pressure on the Ambassador's office increased accordingly. Hence, I believe, they caved with a voluntary evacuation plan for Embassy staff and dependents. And, since the Ambassador indicated a consistent policy for American citizens, this new offer.. needed to be extended to US civilians and military dependents...at cost (Embassy dependents fly free). What's even more ridiculous was that the offer of voluntary evacuation was extended to employees at the US Consulate in Nagoya. Next on the list... Seoul, HK, Taipei, Canberra ?

Here is the announcement for the US government:

US Embassy ACS. Keep in mind my latest comments regarding this:

From: American Embassy Tokyo [tokyoacs@state.gov]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 3:02 PM
To:
Subject: Warden Message Japan

The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo informs U.S. citizens in Japan who wish to depart that the Department of State is making arrangements to provide transportation to safehaven locations in Asia. This assistance will be provided on a reimbursable basis, as required by U.S. law. U.S. citizens who travel on US government-arranged transport will be expected to make their own onward travel plans from the safehaven location. Flights to evacuation points will begin departing Japan on Thursday, March 17. There will be a limited number of seats available on evacuation flights departing from Narita and Haneda airports on March 17. Priority will be given to persons with medical emergencies or severe medical conditions.

Persons interested in departing Japan via USG-chartered transportation should proceed to Narita and Haneda airports or contact the US Department of State and EmbassyJapan by sending an email to JapanEmergencyUSC@state.gov or by calling 1-202-501-4444. Please provide the following information:
Name, age, place of birth, U.S. passport number and any special medical needs.
Immediate family members (spouses and children) who are not U.S. citizens must be documented for entry into the safehaven country and/or U.S., if that is your final destination.

Frequently Asked Question

I’m ready to go. What do I do?
Documented U.S. citizens may proceed to Haneda or Narita airport as of Thursday, March 17 at 6:00 pm.
My child is a U.S. citizen. Can my whole family be evacuated?
A U.S. citizen child may be escorted by one adult, preferably a parent, who has appropriate travel documents. If a family has more than one U.S. citizen child, the one-adult rule still applies.

Do I need a U.S. passport?
All U.S. citizen travelers and their spouses and children, are required to have valid travel documents. The U.S. Embassy in Japan will assist U.S. citizens with travel documents. U.S. citizens who do not hold a valid U.S. passport or visa and are interested in departing Japan via USG-chartered transportation should contact the USDepartment of State and Embassy Japan by sending an email toJapanEmergencyUSC@state.gov or by calling 1-202-501-4444.
What do I do if my child is a U.S. citizen, but hasn’t yet been documented?
Contact the U.S. Embassy in Japan. U.S. citizens who do not hold a valid U.S. passport or visa interested in departing Japan via USG-chartered transportation should contact the U.S. Department of State and Embassy Japan by sending an email toJapanEmergencyUSC@state.gov or by calling 1-202-501-4444.

My family members aren’t U.S. citizens. Can they travel with me?
The scheduled evacuation flights will transport U.S. citizens and their immediate family members. Immediate family members – defined as spouses and children – who are not U.S. citizens will be required to have travel documentation that will permit their entry into the safe haven destinations. At this time, flights are expected to travel to Seoul, Republic of Korea and Taipei, Taiwan. Safe haven destinations may change. U.S. citizens requesting evacuation will not be able to select their safe haven destinations.

Will you fly me to the United States?
Our goal is to get people to a safe place, where they can make their own onward travel arrangements. Travelers will be responsible for their own onward travel arrangements and accommodations in the safe haven city. Consular officers will provide travelers with information on airlines and hotels.

What should I bring?
Travelers should bring valid travel documents and any necessary medications.
Each traveler may bring one suitcase and a small personal carry-on item.
U.S. citizens seeking evacuation should be prepared for a substantial wait at the airport. Travelers are advised to bring food, water, diapers and other necessary toiletries with them to the airport.

What about my pets?
Evacuation flights will not be able to accommodate pets.

Do I have to pay for the flight?
U.S. citizens requesting evacuation will be asked to sign paperwork promising to reimburse the U.S. Government for flight costs at a later date. Exact flight costs are not yet available, but should be comparable to a one-way commercial flight from Japan to the safehaven location.

How do I get to the airport?
Public transport to include taxis is still operating in Japan.

Insider closes with:


As I indicated, if you are rational, this offer is unnecessary. ETA as it turned out, on the second day of voluntary evacuations (free for Embassy staff and dependents in Tokyo and of all places... Nagoya; up to $3000 per person for civilians and military ...can you guess who made the rules?) there were three Boeing 747s... one had only 8 passengers which outnumbered the crew. At least one flew empty. Your tax dollars at work.


PS Also as I indicated, the offer of KI pills to civilians .... for US citizens ONLY. Not Japanese dependents or family (unlike the policy indicated by the British and the fleeing French). They are NOT posting in their ACS messages or on their website and the Embassy operator is discouraging people from taking up the offer if they call the mainline for more information (03) 3224 5000. The pick-up times are very convenient for US Embassy staffers -- Mon - Friday 0900 - 1700 at the New Sanno Hotel. No weekends. And, they have indicated they might discontinue it Monday. My guess is that they do not have enough. On March 15th the Ambassador confessed there was not enough for Embassy staffers so not surprised. Another reason for keeping the publicity down on this ... it directly contradicts John V Roos' March 13th statement that there would be "no double standard" for Embassy staff and US citizens. Press Release | Embassy of the United States Tokyo, Japan

Another insider confirms the story above:

You can easily confirm the story on the Luke's (secret evacuation plans) with near anyone on the Compound.

The whole KI pill issue is being handled very poorly. Anyways, I don't think it is necessary - and has the probability of doing more harm than good if a few people down them unnecessarily. Regardless if you consider that many long-term American expats who live in Japan are married to Japanese nationals, restricting distribution to US citizens to civilians who want these pills is an idiotic and discriminatory policy. Especially when dependents of Embassy employees - regardless of nationality - were provided with not just KI pills but also free voluntary - albeit crap - evacuation flights to Taipei/Seoul. They also charged US military which really makes you wonder. The US government is even charging evacuees from Northern Japan for the bus rides from Sendai. "No double standard"? Ambassador John V Roos can kiss my ass.

As I have posted before, in Fly-Jin Even hits the Wall Street Journal

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[steel]

..continued.

Note to foolish foreigner: Your Japanese staff think you are a buffoon, regardless of what they say to your face. Your position and status are compromised. The respect they held for you - if they ever had any - is completely compromised. Remember: It takes a very long time to build trust, it takes one action to destroy that trust forever.)
What are you going to do about it, foreign manager?

These sorts of people, who shirked their duties, like Mr. Roos have been compromised. They should be removed from their positions.

UPDATE! Alert reader, Thomas P. Logan adds this:


No doubt you have heard this from the WSJ (Japan Real Time) just today, too, Mike?
Things that make you go hmmmmmm.....

U.S. Embassy Gives Potassium Iodide, a Radiation Safeguard, to Citizens in Japan - Japan Real Time - WSJ

[TrainOfThought]

I think it's sad how media sometimes give us false/misinerpreted information about serious stuff like this just to make more money (HUGE headlines with words like "explosion", "radioactive" and "death" in even bigger letters). I've seen it in Sweden as well (damn you, Aftonbladet!), but from what I've heard and read, no country is doing a better job at it than Germany.

My German is "a bit" rusty, but it seems most German newspapers (especially local ones) are pretty much saying that Japan will cease to exist in the near future.
Many of their "experts" are 100% sure that this will end in a worldwide disaster one way or another.
The first scenario is that at least 4 of the reactors will go through a complete meltdown, rendering Japan and parts of several other east-asian countries uninhabitable.
The second scenario they're talking about is that a big part of Japan (basically everything north of Nagoya) is going to sink because of the earthquakes. This will cause a huge tsunami-like wave, wiping out the west coasts of south and north america, and blah blah blah. This also seems to be the new thing to make youtube videos about.

Aaah... can you smell that..? Yes, it..it smells like fear-mongering! I don't really know why they'd think it'd be a good idea to spread this kind of disinformation. I mean, what could they possibly gain from it?

To bluejeanslady: Please, for your own sake, don't just swallow everything German media feeds you. You've got the internet at your fingertips! Gather information from at least 4-5 sources and think about what sounds logical and what doesn't.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by TrainOfThought

To bluejeanslady: Please, for your own sake, don't just swallow everything German media feeds you. You've got the internet at your fingertips! Gather information from at least 4-5 sources and think about what sounds logical and what doesn't.

You're echoing what more than of few of us have already asked of her.
To no avail, I might add.