The revival of Cold War

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Nasa isn't the US military Term. Entirely two seperate departments, Nasa isn't even part of the Pentegon. AS for field testing, we pretty much saw what American made equipment does to Soviet equipment in Iraq and Afganistan.

Actually, the mentioned Atlas rockets weren't developed by NASA.

Atlas is a family of U.S. space launch vehicles. The original Atlas missile was designed in the late 1950s and produced by the Convair Division of General Dynamics, to be used as an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

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As for "American equipment Vs Soviet-made one" in Iraq and Afganistan, what do you mean exactly? Perhaps, the US Tomohawks Vs bunch of wild rebells, armed by Kalashnikovs?
During war in Yugoslavia, an outdated Soviet-built SAM successfully shot dawn US F-117 "Stealth" bomber.

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

The Patriot missle system is not our anti missle platform, that was an anti aircraft missle system that worked so well it could track slower moveing missles. The Anti missle systems radar is so advanced it can detect not only the movement of a basketball in miami, from DC, but can detect wich direction it's rotateing in.

Modern Russian OTH radars have the same technical parameters. Soviet scientists began to develop the concept of early warning systems (over the horizon radars) more that 50 years ago.

The Soviets had also studied OTH systems starting as early as the 1950s. Their first experimental model appears to be the Veyer (Hand Fan) that was built in 1949. The next serious Soviet project was Duga-2, built outside Nikolayev (on the Black Sea coast near Odessa). Aimed eastward, Duga-2 was first started on 7 November 1971, and was successfully used to track missile launches from the far east and Pacific Ocean to the testing ground on Novaya Zemlya.

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Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Besides. It's Iran you should be worrid about, those kooks will launch a nuke soon as they have one operational, and really, who knows where they will send it.

Frankly, I see absolutely no reasons to be scared of Iran.

[Ryzorian]

No, not some rebel with a ak, we destroyed entire armies based on Soviet tactics and soviet gear. Crushed them in a matter of hours. You can take from it what you like, doesn't matter to me either way. Russia won't attack US and everybody knows it, so Med's little speech was just blowing smoke.

Term; Iran is full of crazies who believe they are the Harbringer of the end days and to achieve that end they must bring about world war, think about it for a little while at least. this isn't a nation who seeks "national interests" they meerly wish to bring about the return of the Mahadi as soon as possible.

Evanny; Grade point average in college was 3.5, graduated with honors in my field. Plus, I'm ex army Desert Storm vet, I actually worked with some of this equipment I'm talking about. Yes, I do think American military is best in world bar none. So?

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

No, not some rebel with a ak, we destroyed entire armies based on Soviet tactics and soviet gear. Crushed them in a matter of hours. You can take from it what you like, doesn't matter to me either way.

NATO forces attacked Iraq in proportions ~ 50 : 1. No matter what kind of "military gear" iraqi "armies" had.

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Term; Iran is full of crazies who believe they are the Harbringer of the end days and to achieve that end they must bring about world war

I think, after recent attack of NATO helos on Pakistani soldiers, the USA got another one hostile nation in the region :


US and Pakistan: deadliest of friends

With the deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers in an air strike, the US may have made its costliest mistake of the war in Afghanistan

How bad can a relationship between two military allies get? If this year's tally of incidents is anything to go by, Pakistan's rage against the American military machine can get a lot worse. First came the affair over Raymond Davis, the CIA agent who shot dead two men who had pulled up in front of his car at a traffic light in Lahore. Then came the US raid that killed Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani garrison town of Abbottabad. And now this.

An Afghan special forces operation, backed up by Nato troops, allegedly came under fire from across the border. Afghan troops, another report goes, called in Nato airstrikes, and two Pakistani military posts were hit, killing 24 soldiers. The reaction in Pakistan ranged yesterday from cold fury (it is just not believed in Pakistani military circles that Nato was unaware of the co-ordinates of the two military posts in the village of Salala) to hot conspiracy: America was the "big evil". The politician Imran Khan told thousands of supporters on Saturday that it was time to end the alliance with the US. It would be folly to dismiss this as mere populism. After a year like this, the Pakistani military will have to cope with rising levels of pressure from within its own ranks to end co-operation with the US.

The Afghan element to this tale of friendly fire is also troubling. If, as US forces start to draw down, Afghan troops take the lead in highly sensitive areas like these, where the exact line of the border is unclear, then this weekend's woeful events may not be the last. As it is, it would not take much for Pakistani and Afghan troops to open fire on each other. On the Afghan side of the border in Kunar province, there was little doubt that the US military had done the right thing. They were congratulated for hitting the right target. On Saturday the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, approved a second list of areas where Afghan forces will start taking the lead from Nato troops. As it is, the US is reluctant to give the Afghans fast jets or heavy artillery for fear of what they would do.

The short-term response is not as troubling as the long-term implications. Pakistan closed two border crossings and gave the US 15 days to quit Shamsi airbase in Baluchistan, from which it flew drones targeting militants in the tribal areas. The closures will make Barack Obama more dependent on Vladimir Putin's goodwill, and the northern supply route through which 60% of troops and military cargo to Afghanistan now travel. But, of itself, the closures will be a temporary problem. Of greater significance is the erosion of Pakistani public support for the US fight against the Taliban. It would not be the first strategic mistake the US had made in this war, but it could yet prove the costliest.


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So, NATO pilots cannot determine who is a friend and who is a foe....... Friendly fire, huh? Or it's normal for Americans to exterminate allies together with enemy soldiers?

[Ryzorian]

The air strike was called in by afgan troops, so ask them what thier motives were. Pakistan isn't really much of an ally anyhow, good ol Binladin was in a retirement area for Pakistani military. We mostly just bribe them to at least make a showing of doing something, but that isn't worth it anymore.

Proportion in battle is stupid, you use overwelming firepower as quickly as possible. But hey, they did out number us by several 100k troops. In fact, aside from Isreal, whole middle east is America's enemy and has been since 1800, when they found out the US existed.

AS to US Russian relationship, it's mostly just smoke from both sides. I mean really, who want's to occupy either? Russia is too damn cold in winter and US is full of red necks, with guns.

[Sangetsu]

The "new cold war" is a political invention created by the powers-that-be to maintain control over their respective countries. They must "defend themselves from outside threats", which is basically nonsense. If the Russian people believe that America is a threat to their way of life, they will elect "leaders" who promise to protect them, and the people won't complain when half the tax revenue that their government collects is spent on national defense. The same is true of Americans. The government can only maintain power over it's people by making people believe that only the government can protect them, as religious leaders claim that only Jesus or Mohammed (acting through the church or mosque) can protect them. It's the same old game which has been played for centuries.

Them aim is to make people afraid. When people are frightened, they are easier to control.

[Ryzorian]

Too bad aliens aren't proven, then they could unit the world in fear of aliens

[termogard]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

The air strike was called in by afgan troops, so ask them what thier motives were. Pakistan isn't really much of an ally anyhow, good ol Binladin was in a retirement area for Pakistani military. We mostly just bribe them to at least make a showing of doing something, but that isn't worth it anymore..

Well, good job!

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Proportion in battle is stupid, you use overwelming firepower as quickly as possible. But hey, they did out number us by several 100k troops.

100K troops without well-developed air-defence systems, air and naval forces are nothing short of easy targets.

[Ryzorian]

Well, if they had poor anti air, that was Russian equipment. Can't blame us for that. That "golden BeeBee" method just doesn't work. In fact, the Iraqi army was pretty adament about haveing American made equipment for thier newly trained army, they wanted to feel like part of the group and the old soviet stuff made them feel inadequate.