American in Hiroshima...

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by Enkidu22

For all people who hold USA side in this discussion: USA become major world power becouse they made tons of money selling weapons and supplies to european countries during WW I and WW II. They would join WW II even if JN didn't attack Pearl Harbour becouse if Axis won the war they wouldn't get paid for all supplies sold to allied nations under Land Lease program! Also most (if not all) of WW II specialists agree that USA was preparing to go to war since it begun (hence the Manhattan program), japanese officers knew this and they wanted to make the first strike.

Also in Wietnam losses amongst civilians were highest in the history of warfare! And they still say that they went there to help! I only hope it won't end like that in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's not like I'm anti-american, every nation has it's sins, but really it amuses me how people don't understand their own history.

America gave a great deal of aid to the Allies even when it became apparent that they could not pay for it, it wasn't (just) about the money.

And as I said before, the Manhattan Project didn't begin until AFTER we entered the war. There were efforts to explore atomic energy before that, but the Manhattan Project, which was the effort to actually build a weapon or bomb using atomic energy, wasn't started until after Pearl Harbor, so there's no way Japan could have knew about it and attacked us for it. Heck, it was still a secret years later.

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by noodle

samurai007, i just checked online on some french sites.... it seems i was wrong... but unlike american reports, it did say that Greer didn't have a flag, or markers (something like that) to show that it was american, and because it followed the sub for a couple of hours, according to Commander Fraatz, he fealt that they were in danger and didn't realise that he was dealing with americans.... And like you said previously, he fealt that the actions of the greer and the british plane seemed rather hostile, thus the need to react!!!

I apologize, i guess not reading your history books for a couple of years doesn't help!!

No problem, I've forgotten or jumbled a lot of what I learned in school too... it was quite a while ago for me (I graduated from university in 1994).

[MMM]

Samurai007

Japan Forums has too few intelligent and educated people that can engage in discussion. I hope you are patient enough to stick around. We need more people like you.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by MMM

Samurai007

Japan Forums has too few intelligent and educated people that can engage in discussion. I hope you are patient enough to stick around. We need more people like you.

That seems rather "rude" to say!!!.....

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

That seems rather "rude" to say!!!.....

Obvioulsy I don't include you as one who can't engage in intelligent discussion, Noodle.

[Enkidu22]

Originally Posted by samurai007

America gave a great deal of aid to the Allies even when it became apparent that they could not pay for it, it wasn't (just) about the money.

They couldn't pay for it outright, but they were paying it off for many years after war. If germans conquered them who would pay? Marshalls program was also part of it, USA helped to rebuild europe so they can trade with it and get paid for everything they sold. It's not like I think all americans knew this or approved this but the politics did.

Originally Posted by samurai007

And as I said before, the Manhattan Project didn't begin until AFTER we entered the war. There were efforts to explore atomic energy before that, but the Manhattan Project, which was the effort to actually build a weapon or bomb using atomic energy, wasn't started until after Pearl Harbor, so there's no way Japan could have knew about it and attacked us for it. Heck, it was still a secret years later.

So why japanese began their own A-bomb program shortly before they attacked Pearl Harbour? Did you ever heard of U-234? Also from what I know Manhattan project started in 1939. I read it before in few publications but even Wikipedia wrote this: "Dr. Nishina knew and understood the military potential of nuclear weapons, and was worried that the Americans were working on a nuclear weapon, which could be—and eventually was—used against Japan. About the same time, in 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt started the first investigations into fussion weapons in the United States, which eventually evolved into the massive Manhattan Project"

I will say once more: I'm not anti-american, quite the opposite in fact, but seriously USA isn't the great world saiviour many (especially americans) believe it to be.

[kunitokotachi]

There are numerous posts on this thread that seem to show remaining hostility against Japan for the attack on Pearl Harbor. Some individuals also appear to believe that the U.S. had done nothing to Japan prior to WWII and the attack on Pearl Harbor. I've encounter other Americans who know nothing about America's voyage to force trade relations and regulations on Japan. In 1853, Commodore Matthew Perry made his first attempt to demand that Japan open its ports but Japan refused. It was the Tokugawa Shogunate's policy to keep Japan isolated and free from foreign influence during that period. Commodore Matthew Perry returned to Japan in 1854 with a small fleet of warships equipped with advanced weaponry and technology. This time the Commodore would threaten the Japanese with military force; destroying as many Japanese as he could if he had to. What adds to the arrogance of Commodore was the fact that he had three of his naval bands play the "Star Spangled Banner." In the end, Japan had no choice but to sign the "Treaty of Kanagana." Commodore Matthew Perry's encounter with the Japanese would lead to other consequences because Great Britain and other nations would follow suit and force treaties on Japan. As one can see, our American government had stepped all over Japan's sovereignty.

[Devan]

Depends on the generation, if someone would want to learn about something from the past, I myself would not care........I like to pass on knowledge...lol,...*lame

[samurai007]

Originally Posted by kunitokotachi

There are numerous posts on this thread that seem to show remaining hostility against Japan for the attack on Pearl Harbor. Some individuals also appear to believe that the U.S. had done nothing to Japan prior to WWII and the attack on Pearl Harbor. I've encounter other Americans who know nothing about America's voyage to force trade relations and regulations on Japan. In 1853, Commodore Matthew Perry made his first attempt to demand that Japan open its ports but Japan refused. It was the Tokugawa Shogunate's policy to keep Japan isolated and free from foreign influence during that period. Commodore Matthew Perry returned to Japan in 1854 with a small fleet of warships equipped with advanced weaponry and technology. This time the Commodore would threaten the Japanese with military force; destroying as many Japanese as he could if he had to. What adds to the arrogance of Commodore was the fact that he had three of his naval bands play the "Star Spangled Banner." In the end, Japan had no choice but to sign the "Treaty of Kanagana." Commodore Matthew Perry's encounter with the Japanese would lead to other consequences because Great Britain and other nations would follow suit and force treaties on Japan. As one can see, our American government had stepped all over Japan's sovereignty.

Believe me, resentment toward Japan for Pearl Harbor is not common, certainly no more than the percentage of Japanese who still hate all Americans for WW2, and probably quite a bit fewer.

[temudzjin]

Just because your goverment committed an act of war (justified or not) many years ago , Dunnea mean you can''t feel responsible or curious bout it.
And after all it all depends on the person visiting Hiroshima or Pearl Harbor, they could be sorry or spitefull.
There are after all loads of valid reasons to visit any war/historical sites.
Anyone behaving disrespectfull on one such site should be kicked out no matter there nationality.