War?

[IamKira]

I think it was kind of funny that they made it soo far into France.........but I am glad for the bulge!!!!!!!!!

[Excessum]

Originally Posted by Suki

Battle of Stalingrad ^^

I see that you did not sleep through your history classes... very very very good!
(though the city, the great battle was waged around, was Leningrad, just for the record)

Originally Posted by Suki

Germany went to shit cause all they could do was that blitzkrieg strategy which faild them while fighting in Russia. Besides, an autarky would have never worked.

I would argue with this statement, as although Blitzkrieg was the (only) key to their success, the completely new war waging strategies they used were the doors... with using all types of forces combined to achieve success, they started a new page in the great book of war which these days is used by all of the armies of the world...

Originally Posted by Suki

I think that right from the star it was clear who'd win.

Negative, it was clear only after the battle for Leningrad, you mentioned before... it was the turning point of WWII (not the D-Day or anything, as the Yankees love to believe)... and actually, as trivial it may not sound, in the WWII there was no real victor, there were only the losers, and biggest of them, of course, was Germany...

[ToKyO23]

Originally Posted by Excessum

I see that you did not sleep through your history classes... very very very good!
(though the city, the great battle was waged around, was Leningrad, just for the record)


I would argue with this statement, as although Blitzkrieg was the (only) key to their success, the completely new war waging strategies they used were the doors... with using all types of forces combined to achieve success, they started a new page in the great book of war which these days is used by all of the armies of the world...


Negative, it was clear only after the battle for Leningrad, you mentioned before... it was the turning point of WWII (not the D-Day or anything, as the Yankees love to believe)... and actually, as trivial it may not sound, in the WWII there was no real victor, there were only the losers, and biggest of them, of course, was Germany...

geeze >.> i admire ur intelligence haha
u would've been good in my debate courses i took last year

[Suki]

Originally Posted by Excessum

I see that you did not sleep through your history classes... very very very good!

Do I get some candy? xD

I had a great teacher, truth be said.

Originally Posted by Excessum

I would argue with this statement, as although Blitzkrieg was the (only) key to their success, the completely new war waging strategies they used were the doors... with using all types of forces combined to achieve success, they started a new page in the great book of war which these days is used by all of the armies of the world...

The main problem was that they thought they were bigger than what they actually were. Does the Desert War ring a bell? General Rommel wasn't abel to deal with two things at the same time: fighting the English troopes and desperatly trying to find an oil well, all of this while being chased by General Montgomery. No wonder why the German army was beaten that time, but then again their Blitzkrieg (can't help thinking of the Ramones everytime I type this word) attack did work with Greece.

Originally Posted by Excessum

it was clear only after the battle for Leningrad, you mentioned before... it was the turning point of WWII (not the D-Day or anything, as the Yankees love to believe)... and actually, as trivial it may not sound, in the WWII there was no real victor, there were only the losers, and biggest of them, of course, was Germany...

Well yeah, but since day 1 the Germans were almost like fighting alone. It was Hitler's fight. Italy wasn't as strong, and Japan was by their side cause they were afraid the USSR would grow bigger. They weren’t well coordinated and there was no love among them. xD

[Excessum]

Originally Posted by Suki

The main problem was that they thought they were bigger than what they actually were. Does the Desert War ring a bell? General Rommel wasn't abel to deal with two things at the same time: fighting the English troopes and desperatly trying to find an oil well, all of this while being chased by General Montgomery. No wonder why the German army was beaten that time, but then again their Blitzkrieg (can't help thinking of the Ramones everytime I type this word) attack did work with Greece.

Khm... it were not the Germans who attacked Greece... If you concentrate, you'll remember how your teacher told you that those were the Italian forces and, I must admit, that the theater of Africa did not interest me that much at the time i was reading all those WWII books, so i you can consider this being my weak spot And btw, the word "blitzkrieg" makes me remember a song as well... this song, actually: click
But, the whole main Devil damned point of the Blitzkrieg was the fact that Nazi's could not maintain a long-time warfare... so it is normal that they they were putting all their hopes in-to Africa and the middle-east... but, they forgot (or they did not knew) the old saying about putting all of your eggs in-to one basket... Too much Bavarian beer, i guess

Originally Posted by Suki

They weren’t well coordinated and there was no love among them. xD

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[Suki]

Originally Posted by Excessum

it were not the Germans who attacked Greece... If you concentrate, you'll remember how your teacher told you that those were the Italian forces

Wrong.

Italy tried hard but they failed in their attempt to invade Greece, so the Germans -that already had Belgrade- started planning the invasion of Greece, whose army surrounded on April 21st (my bf's b-day, easy date to remember).

It won't let me hear the song, is it that one? --> Blitzkrieg - Yngwie Malmsteen - GoEar.com

Originally Posted by Excessum

Too much Bavarian beer, i guess

More than likely.

[Excessum]

Originally Posted by Suki

Wrong.

Italy tried hard but they failed in their attempt to invade Greece, so the Germans -that already had Belgrade- started planning the invasion of Greece, whose army surrounded on April 21st (my bf's b-day, easy date to remember).

Ok, just to make sure, I looked up this fact in the internet:

Originally Posted by wikipedia.org

Italy invaded Greece on October 28, 1940, from Italian occupied Albania but was quickly repulsed

1) Italian forces invaded Albania
2) They moved on to Greece
3) No Germans invovled

But Germans did invade Crete...

Originally Posted by Suki

It won't let me hear the song, is it that one? --> Blitzkrieg - Yngwie Malmsteen - GoEar.com

Nope... strange that rapidshare's ain't working, try the next link: blitzkrieg.mp3

[Suki]

Originally Posted by Excessum

1) Italian forces invaded Albania
2) They moved on to Greece
3) No Germans invovled

But Germans did invade Crete...

But they could not stay there for long. I've also checked.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The Italians invaded Greece, but were repulsed and driven back into Albania. Due to the success of the Greek counteroffensive, Germany was forced to intervene in April 1941, invading Yugoslavia and Greece.

I win.

Originally Posted by Excessum

Nope... strange that rapidshare's ain't working, try the next link: blitzkrieg.mp3

I'm sorry I can't hear that one either ò_Ó
It says I've gotta download some stuff...

[Excessum]

The point i was holding on was that Italians did invade the greece, but id did not say that they succeeded in it, did i? think of me as a sore looser or whatever, but the Italians were the 1st ones to cross the borders of Greece, but they were pushed out... so, technically, they invaded 1st... Germans took over later on...

Originally Posted by Suki

I'm sorry I can't hear that one either ò_Ó
It says I've gotta download some stuff...

lol, you are not supposed to hear it, you are supposed to download the mp3 and then play it

[Suki]

Originally Posted by Excessum

The point i was holding on was that Italians did invade the greece, but id did not say that they succeeded in it, did i?

But you said that the Germans were not involved at all and in fact it was them who finally got it.

Never mind, let's drop it ^_^

Originally Posted by Excessum

lol, you are not supposed to hear it, you are supposed to download the mp3 and then play it

I knew that ¬¬ I meant that when I click on that link a lil window appears saying "Getting Ready for the Installation" and it says I have to insert that Microsoft Office 2000 Premium CD in order to proceed with the operation.

Fate does not want me to download that song.

By the way:

YouTube - Otoko Tachi No Yamato - Battle Scene