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SHAD0W 03-23-2009 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kirakira (Post 687406)
The classic うらにわにはにわ、にわにはにわにわとりがいる。has already proven why it is impossible to ditch Kanji. You just have to put up or shut up.

OMG! WTF is that meant to mean!?! total mind fcuk on that one - Love it though.

Would you mind beefing it up for me please, kirakira?

Nyororin 03-23-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SHAD0W (Post 687479)
OMG! WTF is that meant to mean!?! total mind fcuk on that one - Love it though.

Would you mind beefing it up for me please, kirakira?

Literal translation would be "In the backyard there are two, and in the front yard two chickens."

Basically, there are two chickens in the backyard, and two more in the front.

裏庭 = うらにわ = backyard
には = hard to translate directly, but here as "in"
二羽 = にわ = two (birds or rabbits)
庭 = にわ = yard
鶏 = にわとり = chickens

:D

裏庭には二羽、庭には二羽鶏がいる。 Not nearly so confusing when written using kanji...

SHAD0W 03-23-2009 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinestra (Post 687476)
are you still learning or have you given up?

From the way he's posting I'd guess he's given up, probably can't tell his あ from his お like the people in my class. Pure lazyness is what it comes down to.. The class people refuse to learn too.

I second what you say tho, i too have not had these "problems". The only time i get frustrated is when i try keep up with people who are fluent and I don't know the vocab to keep going.. I WILL GET THERE THOUGH!!!

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 687482)
裏庭には二羽、庭には二羽鶏がいる。 Not nearly so confusing when written using kanji...

HAHAHA! I agree, that makes perfect sense! I'm going to show that to my class teacher.
Thanks very much!

alanX 03-23-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blushyy (Post 687442)
I understand what you mean. I can read hiragana faster and easier than kanji, since sometimes I forget how to pronounce certain kanji characters, woops. But having kanji makes it a lot easier to understand the meaning of what is being written. Kanji is great. Once you know more and more kanji, you'd be much happier, haha.

Are you a native Japanese? I think what MMM's point was, you're not necissarily SUPPOSED to read the kanji. Like, the meaning just pops in your mind. Like a hyroglyphic, so to speak. Right MMM?

MMM 03-23-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 687526)
Are you a native Japanese? I think what MMM's point was, you're not necissarily SUPPOSED to read the kanji. Like, the meaning just pops in your mind. Like a hyroglyphic, so to speak. Right MMM?

Yes, basically that is right. Kanji are a little like Greek or Latin roots in English. you can know the meaning without necessarily knowing the pronunciation.

AnthraxAttack 03-23-2009 07:20 PM

Haha, someone is having trouble with kanji studies? When it comes to kanji, you just have to take it or leave it. Kanji is not going anywhere.

What i found very helpful was to study the kanji's roots, what you will quickly find out is that each kanji is not just a random character with strokes here and there. There are a few base kanji that pretty much all kanji is made out of. Each kanji is a squared abstract picture of something. This 耳 is the drawing of an ear. This 門 is the drawing of an gate. so what is this 聞?

Aha! A ear at a gate, eavesdropping! And what do you do wihle eavsdropping? you hear. If you don't know the pornounciation of the kanji, you will probably remember what to hear in japanese is. You don't need to remember the pornounciation of each and every kanji, you will get far by just reading the picture or of your memory, and not how each kanji is pronunced.

Taranee987 03-23-2009 08:04 PM

I don't think Japanese is a difficult language and not weird at all or maybe weird for those who hear it for the first time?
I have have been self studying japanese for two years now and i still practice Katakana and Hiragana i know the meanings of some Kanji but these things takes time as for me i need to balance my japanese studying and my regular school work so i take one thing at a time and i try not to stress either

Kanji is hard? yes for someone but it is also hard for me sometimes but i just need more practice:vsign:

komitsuki 03-23-2009 08:19 PM

Every languages around the world are equally difficult in many ways.

Yuusuke 03-23-2009 08:21 PM

Well it's only hard because it's not ur native language.

I study japanese, i think it's hard but you'll figure it out.

fundamentals help X_X

and if u get those down it gets easier

just practice practice practice

which i've been lacking to do lately

jesselt 03-23-2009 08:36 PM

Am I the only one having a hard time believing that the OP is in college...?


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