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Particle が - 09-13-2017, 01:45 PM

Hi,

I am having troubling understanding the usage of particle "ga", e.g in the following example:

ドアが閉しまります!
Doa ga shimarimasu!

Can't I say "doa wa shimarimasu" meaning something like: as for the door, it is closing.

My confusion is: ga is used to introduce something new. But the door is there, it exists, and it is about to be closed. So why use ga?
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09-14-2017, 02:33 PM

>ドアが閉しまります! wrong
 ドアが閉まります! correct

"ドアが閉まります: DOA GA SHIMARI-MASU;The door will close"
You might think this translation is strange in use of "close" but door close by itself in Japan.

In this case, "GA" simply indicates the subject of the sentence.

"ドアは閉まりますOA WA SHIMARI-MASU; as for the door, it is gong to close(or to be closed)." sound strange because "WA" implies some comparison. Whe you say "MIGI NO DOA WA SHIMARI MASU:The right side door will be closed" will make sense.

>ga is used to introduce something new.

I cannot accept this definition. Do you have any example?


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09-14-2017, 02:50 PM

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>ga is used to introduce something new.

I cannot accept this definition. Do you have any example?
Yes, here:
The Particle Wa I -

The topic is, thus, “old information.” In order for something to be registered information, though, you may need to use ga が first to establish it. Essentially, information needs to be new before it can be grammatically treated as old information.

Mukashi mukashi, aru tokoro ni, ojiisan to obāsan ga sunde imashita. Ojiisan wa yama e shibakari ni, obāsan wa kawa e sentaku ni ikimashita.

This sentence is the opening to one of the most important fairy-tales of Japan, Momotarō 桃太郎. At the beginning, the reader doesn't know anything about the story. This is why the particle ga が is used to mark the subject. Once the characters are established, they are then treated as the topic in the following sentence, thus marked by wa は.
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09-15-2017, 08:33 AM

Or is it possible that definition is not exactly correct? I am struggling so much with wa/ga particles... :/

thank you so much for your help!!
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09-19-2017, 12:46 AM

The ga particle can be used to introduce new subjects as an emphasis when introducing it to the conversation.

So, if in English you were talking about who left the toilet seat up and you are talking about two people, but finally someone says, GREG was the one who left the toilet seat up, you can see the emphasis on GREG and his name is new to the conversation.

I hope I didn't muddle that up.
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09-19-2017, 08:00 AM

Thank you, that was very helpful! And your Greg-example is really cool

But I don't understand why "ga" is used in the example with the door... You don't want to say "It is this door which will close"
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