Martial Arts

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

In a real life situation, your opponent may not always be willing to "kick joust".

So what are you going to suggest then? I abandon my best KO technique? Punches are more likely to happen on the street, but that is because of the pants I wear I can not kick in! But lets say I was wearing more suitable clothing, all confrontations must pass through kicking range before punches can be thrown. And on the street most people you fight dont know how to fight, and if you punch them they will probably move back, not forward, and then you can kick em again! I dont see why not. I would do it. Yet did I even say this is the best method for street fighting? No. I was just talking about kicking.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

So what are you going to suggest then? I abandon my best KO technique? Punches are more likely to happen on the street, but that is because of the pants I wear I can not kick in! But lets say I was wearing more suitable clothing, all confrontations must pass through kicking range before punches can be thrown. And on the street most people you fight dont know how to fight, and if you punch them they will probably move back, not forward, and then you can kick em again! I dont see why not. I would do it. Yet did I even say this is the best method for street fighting? No. I was just talking about kicking.

This was the statement: godwine: "High kicks are nice and great, but for the most part useless (sorry). In a fight the basic technique are usually the most useful"

This was your response: Tenchu: "Arogance will get you NOWHERE. With punches it is so fast paced and you normal have to land a combo to get a KO, but kick jousting is about timing, and you only have to land one to win. It all just takes practice."

Highs kicks are a powerful thing to have in your repertoire, don't get me wrong. But when will you use it outside the ring or demonstration? Rarely -- if not never.
It is highly unlikely that you will get the opportunity to execute a High Kick in an informal fight; therefore, it is somewhat useless, in terms of martial value.
That is the point I was simply trying to express.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

It is highly unlikely that you will get the opportunity to execute a High Kick in an informal fight; therefore, it is somewhat useless, in terms of martial value.
That is the point I was simply trying to express.

And I was simply trying to say I dont agree. What style do you do? I find a lot of people who think this, and most of them are people who can not do high kicks. You know, for some reason when a lot of people get into a fight on the street they forget their style completely, and just do stupid stuff. I did this once, but am more experienced now, and know I would just choose to use my style, I would not forget it. Thinking back on the street confrontations I can think of a few situations where I could have used kicks, but just swung my fists around like an idiot instead. I imagine there will be other opurtunities in future street fights. I dont see why not. Esp. since they are even easier toland on the thug on the street than they are against the pro at the gym, so I would TRY and use em just to see if I can score a KO or not! I think I am at a level now where the most likely street fight for me would be so easy it would just be a game to me now...

[Jaydelart]

I understand what you're saying; however...

A thug on the street isn't bound by rules and formalities like a professional in the ring or gym is.

People tend to "forget" their styles in street fights because they understand the reality. They accept the fact that it is no longer a game, and that attempting fancy moves can result in defeat.

Sometimes throwing a barrage of simple, controlled punches is better than waiting for the opportunity to perform a High Kick. That is simply the way I see it.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

I understand what you're saying; however...

A thug on the street isn't bound by rules and formalities like a professional in the ring or gym is.

People tend to "forget" their styles in street fights because they understand the reality. They accept the fact that it is no longer a game, and that attempting fancy moves can result in defeat.

Sometimes throwing a barrage of simple, controlled punches is better than waiting for the opportunity to perform a High Kick. That is simply the way I see it.

Did anyone say I ever 'wait'? Did I say it? In the ring or on the street? No. I did not. And am I bound by rules? No. I can use knives and sticks and beer bottles and sand and whatever the fuck I want, too.

You still havn't told me what style you do. I asked, did you not see?

People forget their styles on the street because they are poorly trained, or not trained mentally to cope outside a gym. Look, right now I am sittng at a computer cafe, my left shoulder is facing the door, the door is aprox 2 metres from me, that is perfect distance for a side kick, my legs are not trapped given the style of chair and desk I am at. If some crazy Thai dude came running to the glass door with a knife I would see him, know he wanted to rob the place, and the time that took him to open the door my leg would be cocked and he would be going straight back outside, me following prob with the monitor above my head ready to throw at him (which I would pay for, it just it would be fun to throw one!). So, given right now I am in a perfect situation to use the kick, I can only assume more perfect situations are possible to arise...

So, in truth you are denying kicking and it seems ring based MA styles as well... I wonder why???

[Asakura]

Tenchu has a point, most Martial artists forget their styles on the street due to poor psycological training. A truely strong Martial artist can fight anywhere, implementing his style to the situation not the other way around.


People tent to get wrapped up in being "Martial Artists" and forget that Martial Arts are a millitary art. It is MENT to be used on the street, in truely deadly combat. And the reason we train so hard is so that when it comes down to who lives and who dies in a fight, we get to live. When we strip away all the philosophy and symantics where all just fighters.

As far as using kicks in a street fight. Oh hell yes it's done. Maby I'm bias becouse I'm a student of Taekwondo, but we are tought everyday how to street fight, and yes we implement kicks, pretty frequently.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Asakura

Tenchu has a point, most Martial artists forget their styles on the street due to poor psycological training. A truely strong Martial artist can fight anywhere, implementing his style to the situation not the other way around.


People tent to get wrapped up in being "Martial Artists" and forget that Martial Arts are a millitary art. It is MENT to be used on the street, in truely deadly combat. And the reason we train so hard is so that when it comes down to who lives and who dies in a fight, we get to live. When we strip away all the philosophy and symantics where all just fighters.

As far as using kicks in a street fight. Oh hell yes it's done. Maby I'm bias becouse I'm a student of Taekwondo, but we are tought everyday how to street fight, and yes we implement kicks, pretty frequently.

Thanx for showin sense, glad someone does.

[godwine]

I wasn't trying to be arrogant, that simply was a point of view. You are juging my ability to kick base my my expression of my opinion which was made based on 18 years of training.

FYI i teach tod. I have a third den in tod, I am able to kick higher than my head when standing and can kick over 180 with a jump. Highs kick is not my problem. I also trains in muay Thai for 5 years and a load of other arts

i am simply suggesting that stretches are good and it prevents injuries.

[godwine]

sorry TKD not tod the auto complete feature on the phone sucks

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Did anyone say I ever 'wait'? Did I say it? In the ring or on the street? No. I did not. And am I bound by rules? No. I can use knives and sticks and beer bottles and sand and whatever the fuck I want, too.

So, in truth you are denying kicking and it seems ring based MA styles as well... I wonder why???

How do you plan on planting a High Kick on a hostile individual in the streets? As you said yourself, instead of having to throw a combo of punches for a K.O., if you land a single High Kick you can accomplish a K.O. in one shot. It is a matter of timing and practice. So, again, how do you expect to execute a High Kick without waiting? The answer is you don't; you wait for the opportunity to arrive ~ "timing". Otherwise, you abandon it and resort to other techniques -- or risk getting your ass tackled in mid-motion.

As I understand, it is illegal to tackle in a Muay Thai match. Muay Thai fighters generally train to fight other Muay Thai fighters... That is the basic concept of the sport. Hence my comment: "In a real life situation, your opponent may not always be willing to "kick joust"."


This was your other statement:

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I imagine there will be other opurtunities in future street fights. I dont see why not. Esp. since they are even easier toland on the thug on the street than they are against the pro at the gym, so I would TRY and use em just to see if I can score a KO or not!

This was my response to that statement:

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

A thug on the street isn't bound by rules and formalities like a professional in the ring or gym is.

You're basing your argument on the assumption that it is easier to land a High Kick on a Thug on the streets. And I am simply pointing out that it is not necessarily "easier", because, in the streets, they may never give you the chance to throw your leg into the air to perform a High Kick.

I'm not saying it is impossible; I'm saying it is improbable.
You, Tenchu, are free to do whatever you want. I'm just expressing my opinion.

"Rejecting kicks and ring-based MA"? I suggest you rethink that conclusion. Or better yet ~ read over some of my earlier posts in this thread.

Originally Posted by Asakura

People tent to get wrapped up in being "Martial Artists" and forget that Martial Arts are a millitary art. It is MENT to be used on the street, in truely deadly combat. And the reason we train so hard is so that when it comes down to who lives and who dies in a fight, we get to live. When we strip away all the philosophy and symantics where all just fighters.

I agree. A punch is still a punch; a kick is still a kick. We are all bound by the same physics; therefore, it isn't wise to immediately assume that a stranger on the streets isn't going to put up his own fight.
Rules of the ring favor the use of High Kicks. Street fights are a different story.

Originally Posted by Asakura

As far as using kicks in a street fight. Oh hell yes it's done. Maby I'm bias becouse I'm a student of Taekwondo, but we are tought everyday how to street fight, and yes we implement kicks, pretty frequently.

I'm not entirely sure who you're directing this at, but never did I say that kicking was not done on the streets.