Martial Arts - Page 7

artymcjj · (#61 (**permalink**))

MMA is a great workout, good way to stay in shape
and being a ninja doesnt hurt ^_^

Ronin4hire · (#62 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Tenchu

You are determined to get me wrong. Arn't you. I would call an increase of 1 metre in height in 2 years okay, esp. given I wasn't even focusing on it.

I am not dissmissing it, more so saying it is way over rated. Wushu masters started at ages always below 8 years old. That counts for a lot. I could never do what they do, regardless of what technique I used. Aside flying kicks, I imagine given the progress I am making training full time, I will be able to do all Tae Kwon Do kicks resonably well at my own head height in about 2 years. But flying kicks might be too late for me, not to mention Super Heavy Weight fighters are slightly less graceful than the Light Weight fighters TKD favors...

Can I ask you, how much time per week do you REALLY spend training in this?

Me? I stretch before and after every training session as well as when doing something idle (watching TV etc) The sort of stretching I do before training is different to the sort I do afterwards of course as you can hurt yourself if you don't stretch the proper way.

Rather than stretching being over-rated... I really suspect that you are under-rating it. I simply don't believe that your ability to kick at head height and hold it for 3 seconds today had little to do with stretching. Chances are the little amount of time spent on stretches you did in training combined with maybe a natural predisposition to being flexible were sufficient. Also what usually happens with flexibility is that rapid gains are made initially but you will reach a plateau. That is where I'm at now. My stretching regime is seeing results but slowly. Of course as was mentioned earlier, core strength is important too.

And you could probably do all TKD kicks well now if you can kick at head height... But TKD practitioners goal is not only to execute the technique but eventually to shoot multiple kicks out with the one foot at the same height before the foot hits the ground as well as hold out their kick for a lot longer than 3 seconds or whatever it is you can do (One TKD black belt pattern has you holding your foot out at head height and rotating 180 degrees then without losing height shooting of a side-kick at the end of the 180!). You are kidding yourself if you think you'll reach that level without a flexibility regime that doesn't include stretching.

(In case you're interested here's the black belt pattern I'm talking about)
YouTube - International Taekwondo Federation (ITF) Pattern Ju Che

godwine · (#63 (**permalink**))

Sigh, I really don't want to say this, but for someone who is passionate about martial art and want to get strong, that is an extremely poor learning attitude.

You realize that you are almost the only person who thinks that stretches are not of any use, so you basically is declaring that you are the only person who is right and everyone else here who made a comment are wrong.

Again, our view is only that, stretches is a preventive exercise, that can help you gain flexibility so that you don't hurt yourself when you try to exceed specific range of movement.

If you truly are someone who want to help others, you shouldn't be denying helpful exercises.

As far as high kick is concern, all i said was "FOR THE MOST PART". I never said its totally useless.

Tenchu · (#64 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart

As I understand, it is illegal to tackle in a Muay Thai match. Muay Thai fighters generally train to fight other Muay Thai fighters... That is the basic concept of the sport. Hence my comment: "In a real life situation, your opponent may not always be willing to "kick joust"."

You're basing your argument on the assumption that it is easier to land a High Kick on a Thug on the streets. And I am simply pointing out that it is not necessarily "easier", because, in the streets, they may never give you the chance to throw your leg into the air to perform a High Kick..

Are you fuckin serious? You know, sparring with my Kru (master), last time I tried to kick him he dodged it and came back at me and almost broke my shin with a low kick, which dropped me to the ground given I was still standing on one foot, and he said "we are not doing kicking yet, wait".... I dont think you have any idea about this. No one lets you do anything in the ring, if they can stop you from moving they will, and that is what it is like. Same as the street but on the street most idiots dont even have their gaurds at their heads, so it is like a free shot. Ring fighters have reflexes about 4 times faster than normal people, too, so some guy on the street prob wont even see it coming. Saying like "your enemy will always be closer than 1 metre on the street, so you cant kick him, ever" is a stupid assumption, as that is what you are saying. If ever someone stands at a distance, I can kick them. It happens.

Also, Muay Thai prob has the most complex throw and stand up tackle technique out of any style. From the 'clinch' position a Muay Thai fighter will render all Judo and Jiujutsu and so on useless, promised. But there is no ground fighting. Aside MMA, though, you could probably put it as the most useful style there is. Given it trains so realistically, aggressivly, and no BS. It is not just a sport, it was made so Thai men could fight war, and they did, and conquered all of their neighbours, and all Thai fighters learn this military style either called diiferent things like "Mae Mai Muay Thai" or "Muay Boran". Ultimately it depends on the fighter, but Muay Thai ticks all the right boxes.

Ronin, I can say I have got where I am now no thanx to stretching. By starting at a low level and going higher each time, it works. I only got that vid to play the first several seconds coz puter braken, but extending the leg slow like that, I am trying to think if you are right and maybe you semi are. I think I kick a bag, pretty much at the chains that hold it up, and get my foot stuck in them, I can hold it. But not much. If I try more then I hold more, I reckon. Hmnm, I think for most kicking you don't need to stretch at all, none whatsoever, but just some highly advanced stuff then yeah, you do. That is ONLY the HIGHLY advanced stuff, I am not giving you a complete recession...

Godwine, you train part time, yeah? And never fight with your Muay Thai, yeah? Part time sux.

godwine · (#65 (**permalink**))

I train part time because I have a job that brings in 150K a year. Martial art is my hobby and passion but not my priority.... Though, For a good 5 years, I used to train AND teach for up to 7 hours a day for 7 days a week.......

To make you happy, sure, part time sucks, you are right in all aspect.... there you go

Jaydelart · (#66 (**permalink**))

You're right, Tenchu. You win.
I forfeit.

Asakura · (#67 (**permalink**))

Well let's change the subject.

What are your aspirations in Martial Arts? Do you want to be a Sensei? A Champion Competetor? Own your own school? Or just make it your hobby?

Aota · (#68 (**permalink**))

Personally, I use it for self defense, and bragging rights. If I do find myself on a shortage of cash, I'll think about entering tournaments, but I don't see that happening any time soon. I prefer to be unrestricted when it comes to martial arts/fighting.