Martial Arts

[chaseme]

i did taekwondo when i was in elementary, it was a nice experience. loved sparring and kicking the pads. but swithed to judo in high school. back then when i got into a fight(not that im in a gang or something) its usually because the other party cant keep its cool, i dont think i could kick them or punch them, id rather have them submit.

[godwine]

Originally Posted by chaseme

i did taekwondo when i was in elementary, it was a nice experience. loved sparring and kicking the pads. but swithed to judo in high school. back then when i got into a fight(not that im in a gang or something) its usually because the other party cant keep its cool, i dont think i could kick them or punch them, id rather have them submit.

Why can't you kick or punch them? Yeah, submission and grappling technique are great for street situation, but striking technique (IF used properly and within reasonable force) should be equally as effective

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Glad you are coming to your senses!

Don't get the wrong idea.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by godwine

Why can't you kick or punch them? Yeah, submission and grappling technique are great for street situation, but striking technique (IF used properly and within reasonable force) should be equally as effective

You think? First, what is the chances of a lone individual attacking you, or is it more likely to be a group? In which case, you are trying to say you train to submit multiple opponents at the same time? Or is it that you also train 'iron back' technique so you can take the blows from the guys friend as you envelope a single oppopnent at a time? Second, by submission do you mean breaking his arm? Or simply hold him down? And hold him down to wait for what, exactly? His back up to arrive and free him? Or do you think you can make him say sorry while he is down so when he gets back up he wont be so angry that he just breaks your nose again for making him look like an idiot???

You need to be rounded. Grappling is good, but relying on only that is as stupid as not knowing it at all...

[Tenchu]

Did I quote the wonrg person there... I dunno...

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Did I quote the wonrg person there... I dunno...

Yeah... you were supposed to quote chaseme I believe

[chaseme]

i was in highschool and like said its usually because the other party cant keep its cool. so fights are usually individuals. assuming that they still come at me after i let them get out of a submission, i think i could still get them into submission hopefully

even if its one vs many i dont think knowing boxing or muay thai would make any significant difference. lets be realistic here have you ever beat the crap out of 2 or more person attacking simultaneously?
for me if thats the case there is always running away

[godwine]

I am still a bit stunned to see martial artist getting involved in street situation, shouldn't we have more self control? I though we were all trained to control ourselves?

You know, where I grew up, it is illegal for a well train artist to be involved in a street fight, because our body is considered as a weapon

Tenchu, I do agree that it is likely that your opponent will be more than one person, and I do more striking than anything else myself, but my post wasn't to doubt submission/grappling/throw, its more of a question to chaseme why did he felt that submission is more useful in a street situation

BUT, submission/grappling/throw are also good against multiple oppnents, only an idiot will spend more than one move on each opponent on a street situation. Its not like you are trying to wrestle him to the ground like you would on the UFC.

All arts are useful in any and all situation IF one is trained properly, its all about how much and how well you are trained, you can't generalize which technique or art is better, all arts are useful (with one exception, which I don't want to go into details) as long as the person practicing it knows what he/she is doing

Tenchu, mind telling us how old you are?

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Yeah... you were supposed to quote chaseme I believe

Yeah, I think, but I wanted to argue with the other guy, so quoted him and replied to chaseme... I dunno.

Now that I thought about it, when I started to kick well I was doing this kind of stretch where I stand up straight and swing my leg in one of two directions. Either, up in front of me, like a super nut cracker front kick, or up back behind me, like a ... super nut cracker back kick, I guess. But yeah, I stopped doing that now because that kind of stretching always left my hammys too fucked and I could not kick the next day, but it may have done the trick, I think... *sighs* I better go stretch then... Oh, my original beef was with warm ups, really, that is why I got into stretching. I still dont like warm ups...

Originally Posted by chaseme

even if its one vs many i dont think knowing boxing or muay thai would make any significant difference. lets be realistic here have you ever beat the crap out of 2 or more person attacking simultaneously?
for me if thats the case there is always running away

... It depends on how well trained you are, and how untrained your foe is. Yes, I would feel confident against a group of like 10 completely untrained dick heads. Simply, because they have not trained the chances of them hitting hard is slim, the chances of them attacking at once is slim given they would be slightly afraid, and given they dont know how to protect themselves I am pretty big fella and would have to hit only a single solid hit on each one to KO them. So I could finish 10 guys in 1 punch! The logic being they would all run away after I belted the fuck out of their leader! But if they ARE trained, it becomes harder, yes. Then it is completely dependant on levels and styles, size and aggression, so on. But it goes without saying, taking one guy to the ground while his buddy is standing there watching is a bad idea, he will kick your head in...

Originally Posted by godwine

I am still a bit stunned to see martial artist getting involved in street situation, shouldn't we have more self control? I though we were all trained to control ourselves?

Where did that come into it? I am taught to 'unleash' ... not control...

Originally Posted by godwine

You know, where I grew up, it is illegal for a well train artist to be involved in a street fight, because our body is considered as a weapon

And what fagot land is that? You know some people tried to ban boxing, and succeeded in some places. They were shocked when they came to the realization that these boxers were trying to hurt each other!

Originally Posted by godwine

Tenchu, I do agree that it is likely that your opponent will be more than one person, and I do more striking than anything else myself, but my post wasn't to doubt submission/grappling/throw, its more of a question to chaseme why did he felt that submission is more useful in a street situation

BUT, submission/grappling/throw are also good against multiple oppnents, only an idiot will spend more than one move on each opponent on a street situation. Its not like you are trying to wrestle him to the ground like you would on the UFC.

Grappling on the ground, such as BJJ is not good against multiple attackers, but throwing is okay. Muay Thai has plenty of throwing.

Originally Posted by godwine

All arts are useful in any and all situation IF one is trained properly, its all about how much and how well you are trained, you can't generalize which technique or art is better, all arts are useful (with one exception, which I don't want to go into details) as long as the person practicing it knows what he/she is doing

Yeah, but some styles, like Wing Chun, they have some good concepts in the hand movements, but they rarely, if ever, spar in training. I done this before for a couple of years when I was young, no sparring was ever done at my dojo. This means that not only you dont train the most mportant skill, reflex, but also you dont test the moves and can not refine them for reality. Real punches are different than drills, and no matter how many drills you done you will not be ready for the real thing unless you have practiced it. So although the art might be good, over time it will loose its essence, and the heart of each technique will be forgotten. So IF you train properly, it may be useful, but most dont.

Originally Posted by godwine

Tenchu, mind telling us how old you are?

I am 21. I thought my profile said so. You not read? Lazy...

[godwine]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I am 21. I thought my profile said so. You not read? Lazy...

Ok thanks, that will explain the attitude and behavior...