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pijanychomiku22 09-23-2007 10:43 AM

Japanese VS English
 
I am a teacher. I can teach you Japanese as a foreign language. What I really want to learn is, British English, Spanish, or Korean. In Kanto area, only. Cheers!:D

Josichan86 09-23-2007 11:40 AM

Hi

I'd like to try and teach you english and a bit spanish if you like, although you seem to be very good already. :D

TerrorizedNight 01-04-2008 07:52 PM

I want to learn japanese, it would be great to get a teacher. ^^
I can help you with either english or spanish, I'm a fluent speaker in both.
Send me a message sometime if interested! :D

Suki 01-05-2008 10:57 PM

Why does it have to be British English?

Acidreptile 01-05-2008 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 348065)
Why does it have to be British English?

Probably because british english is way cooler.Americans kinda destroys that awesome language with annoying slangs and bad speaking habits.:vsign:

Suki 01-06-2008 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Acidreptile (Post 348069)
Probably because british english is way cooler.Americans kinda destroys that awesome language with annoying slangs and bad speaking habits.:vsign:

So not true... There're as many slang terms used in British English than in American, and just the way they say 'wotah' instead of waterrrrr makes me wanna slap them :vsign:

soupypeas 01-20-2008 10:04 AM

hello
 
I am English! I am currently learning Japanese for a late GCSE next year. If you have any questions about british English please ask me!
XD

soupypeas 01-20-2008 10:09 AM

hm
 
I have to disagree with Suki. English English is more original (sure if you can't handle that OH-SO-DIFFICULT "ph" sounding like "f" so you have to change "sulphur" to "sulfur") but English is a wonderful language, as is Japanese! So in response to Suki- XP ENGLAND RULES!!!!! That ignorant comment makes me want to slap you back. (I'm sorry but it does...:( )

Terbo 01-20-2008 12:14 PM

I'll helpyou, i really want to learn Japanese, email me or add me on Skype

saxman66 01-24-2008 09:09 PM

I am willing to teach all of nthe english you want as long as you teach me japanese.

Pjok 01-26-2008 03:40 PM

I would love to teach you a little spanish, I have it in school. and since i was little. If you would lean me japanese ? Exchange, ;b hehe. Pm me i you what.. :b

Suki 01-26-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by soupypeas (Post 364075)
I have to disagree with Suki. English English is more original (sure if you can't handle that OH-SO-DIFFICULT "ph" sounding like "f" so you have to change "sulphur" to "sulfur") but English is a wonderful language, as is Japanese! So in response to Suki- XP ENGLAND RULES!!!!! That ignorant comment makes me want to slap you back. (I'm sorry but it does...:( )

What ignorant comment? lol What does ignorance have to do with preferences? I didn't say that American was "better" than British cause no language can be described as better or worse than another. I just wanted to know why the person who made this thread wanted it to be British, and how does American come from a bad speaking habit? It's an accent, not a habit.

xYinniex 01-26-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 375466)
What ignorant comment? lol What does ignorance have to do with preferences? I didn't say that American was "better" than British cause no language can be described as better or worse than another. I just wanted to know why the person who made this thread wanted it to be British, and how does American come from a bad speaking habit? It's an accent, not a habit.

You can also get different accents in english too. But the 'wotah' thing suki? well, not everyone has that accent.

@threadstarter: what type of british english? North. west, south, east, londoner, cornish, geordie, scouse, scottish, welsh, irish, norfolk?

kurezi 01-27-2008 09:16 AM

You can't even tell the difference between British English and American English on the internet, save a few spelling differences. (i.e. color vs. colour, theater vs. theatre)

Unless ofcourse, you use slang. And, I am assuming, the person who posted this isn't entirely keen on learning improper English in the first place.

As an American, I couldn't help but feel a little offended when someone said British English is "cooler".

Navi 01-28-2008 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 348065)
Why does it have to be British English?

Correct me if I'm wrong, America and some of it's surrounding countries are the only ones to use American English. Whilst British English, or rather English is used in more places in the world.

And personally, the American English ticks me off. I'm annoyed by Americanzed spelling being used in my school. Which is an Australian school. -____-

Some examples are; British/American respectively.
Colour - Color
Organisation - Organization

I don't think the thread starter intended to start an argument nor did the thread starter intend to offend anyone.

Anyway, as for the topic at hand. I'd love to teach English. If you're looking for someone to help you with written or more specifically grammar usage, I'd love to help.

Retrogamer77 01-28-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Navi (Post 378489)
Correct me if I'm wrong, America and some of it's surrounding countries are the only ones to use American English. Whilst British English, or rather English is used in more places in the world.

And personally, the American English ticks me off. I'm annoyed by Americanzed spelling being used in my school. Which is an Australian school. -____-

Some examples are; British/American respectively.
Colour - Color
Organisation - Organization

Honestly, I don't see why people give a damn about how the words are spelled. They sound pretty much the same, they mean the same thing...what exactly is the problem? I like my American English. Yes, British English is what's taught elsewhere in The word and that's fine. British English just sounds more...right sometimes. :p Not that I would use it in normal conversation because, obviously, I've grown up with American English. Either way, slang is slang in any country and when you get down to it, it's the same damn language. Seriously, get the hell over it everyone. :rolleyes:

That being said, because I am AMERICAN, I'm sorry that I can't help you much with English. Although proper English seems to have the same rules wherever you are. Oh well, you can ask me at anytime if you want. :vsign:

Suki 01-28-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 375914)
You can also get different accents in english too. But the 'wotah' thing suki? well, not everyone has that accent.

Most British people I've met do, and it's not a bad thing but... well, I just find it slightly annoying cause it sounds as though they're putting such an effort into sounding it out that way >.<'

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Originally Posted by Navi (Post 378489)
Correct me if I'm wrong, America and some of it's surrounding countries are the only ones to use American English. Whilst British English, or rather English is used in more places in the world.

And personally, the American English ticks me off. I'm annoyed by Americanzed spelling being used in my school. Which is an Australian school.

I am referring to pronunciation; why would anyone have a problem with the spelling of a word? Does it really matter if it's spelt with an s or a z? o.Ô I know the thread creator didn't mean to start a fight over this, I was just curious as to why it had to be British, that's all.

kurezi 01-28-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Navi (Post 378489)
Correct me if I'm wrong, America and some of it's surrounding countries are the only ones to use American English. Whilst British English, or rather English is used in more places in the world.

And personally, the American English ticks me off. I'm annoyed by Americanzed spelling being used in my school. Which is an Australian school. -____-

Um. If you are truly fluent in English you can understand both American English and British English. It's not THAT different, except for slang.

And why would you be ticked off? No one said that you have to use our way of spelling. If anything, be pissed of at your school. Not my language.

Navi 01-29-2008 04:09 AM

I'm ticked off because of I'm somewhat of a patriot. Kurezi, reading properly can get you very far. I said I'm annoyed by American spelling being used in my school. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if your culture was brutally raped and spat on.

This only annoys me when using written English, most teachers in my school seem to like to use American English and I lost a lot of marks in my essay due to the fact that I use an s instead of z.

I'm well aware that British and American English are pretty much the same when spoken if you ignore the accents. Neither one is superior than the other. Since the original poster requested British English I don't think it's right to question him/her as to why he/she wants to learn British English. I'm sure you wouldn't question why someone prefers Coke over Pepsi.

kurezi 02-01-2008 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Navi (Post 379775)
I'm sure you'd feel the same way if your culture was brutally raped and spat on.

I am part Armenian. They've experienced a genocide that most of the world will never admit happened. Please don't throw that into a simple conversation about language. It has nothing to do here.
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Originally Posted by Navi (Post 379775)
I'm sure you wouldn't question why someone prefers Coke over Pepsi.

I'm completely confused. One moment the fact that your school shoves American spelling down your throat ruins your life and the next you say that it's as trivial as the difference between two soda brands? Just...wow.

Suki 02-04-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Navi (Post 379775)
most teachers in my school seem to like to use American English and I lost a lot of marks in my essay due to the fact that I use an s instead of z.

I've had it happen to me before but the other way around. For some reason I'm more used to American spelling and I used to get points taken off on my exams. Now this was unfair. Every word they marked as 'wrongly spelled' was in the dictionary but still everytime I complained about it they were like "You know the British spelling for those words, therefore you shouldn't have any problems getting back used to it". Argh, bitch.

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Originally Posted by Navi (Post 379775)
Since the original poster requested British English I don't think it's right to question him/her as to why he/she wants to learn British English.

I am not questioning him/her, I just wanna know out of curiosity.

Pd- And Coke is way, way, waaaaay better than Pepsi :vsign:

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Originally Posted by kurezi
One moment the fact that your school shoves American spelling down your throat ruins your life and the next you say that it's as trivial as the difference between two soda brands? Just...wow.

:rolleyes:

noodle 02-04-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 378551)
I am referring to pronunciation; why would anyone have a problem with the spelling of a word? Does it really matter if it's spelt with an s or a z? o.Ô I know the thread creator didn't mean to start a fight over this, I was just curious as to why it had to be British, that's all.

You mustn't undersestimate the differences
It is more than just Z's and S's.
There are differences in Verb tenses, morphology, Prepositions and adverbs just as a start.
British english is like a form of art.

Suki 02-04-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 388707)
It is more than just Z's and S's.
There are differences in Verb tenses, morphology, Prepositions and adverbs just as a start.
British english is like a form of art.

A form of art huh. Aight, what are the differences in verbal usage? And prepositions...? o.Ô If you mean the extense use of 'gotten' and stuff like that, it may have its origins in America but it's no longer an exclusively American thing. Other than that (variations in the form of some verbs in past tense), I don't know what you're talking about.

noodle 02-04-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 388743)
A form of art huh. Aight, what are the differences in verbal usage? And prepositions...? o.Ô If you mean the extense use of 'gotten' and stuff like that, it may have its origins in America but it's no longer an exclusively American thing. Other than that (variations in the form of some verbs in past tense), I don't know what you're talking about.

I will explain it to you another day.
Because today is rhyming day.
I couldn't possibly make you understand
as it would sound like i'm in a cheesy rap band!

chachava 02-05-2008 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suki (Post 375466)
I just wanted to know why the person who made this thread wanted it to be British, and how does American come from a bad speaking habit? It's an accent, not a habit.



Over here, British English is held in a slightly higher regard because it is where the language originally spread from. Nothing more than that really... American English is taught in schools and there is a (totally incorrect) stigma attached that it is slightly inferior

anrakushi 02-06-2008 01:27 PM

ChaChava, that is interesting you say that because at the University i studied at i didn't find that. i found many were learning american english spelling. one student had the biggest fake american accent, it was so funny. but she was such an america lover that she didn't want to talk with non-americans. >< taking things too far.

I'm sure some americans are going to not like my comment but personally i dislike written American English. Why did americans need to change things for themselves? why couldn't you just keep using British English spelling. the rest of Britain's past colonies have managed to do so. sure all have local slang, local accents etc but why change the spelling of standard words??

I work with a lot of ESL learners and the asian students in particular are taught American English. It us upsetting for me to see them using spellings such a mom, color etc as i believe in preserving English as close to how it is written in the mother land of the language. I do think it is confusing for those learning english that there are two ways of spelling so many words. you will see some students mixing the spellings together, sometimes using colour, sometimes color etc..

Now mind you it is not just a battle of English out there... you can look to Japan and see Kansai people not being too happy at all about the offically spoken Japanese originating from Kantou region. Many Kansai people i met while living there were angry about this and wanted their dialect as the standard. As it was the region of Japan's capital for most of it's history they told me feel a little robbed. I have to say i prefer the dialects of Kansai much more than those of Kantou.

I have nothing against the american accent except for the way you say can't, because that pronunciation is taught to the students i work with in their home countries and it sounds far too similar to can. we pronounce it similar to carn't so the sound is stronger and easier to distinguish in those ESL speakers. however in native speakers of American English i haven't noticed it being as hard to distinguish but i think learners have difficulty pronouncing it your way so it turns out similar to can.

Anyway we all have a preference to what form of a language we like. i met many japanese that liked british accent, australian accent american accent etc.. all have their merits and we all are entitled to like one more than the other. i personally dislike the standard Japanese and i use it as little as possible, i stick with a general Kansai dialect (mostly osaka-ben).

btw for the record both persi and coke suck... soft drinks are awful haha

Suki 02-06-2008 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachava
Over here, British English is held in a slightly higher regard because it is where the language originally spread from.

lol So speaking in a strong British accent makes you sound more intelligent? Ok, now I know what I'll be doign in summer x)

Quote:

Originally Posted by anrakushi
I do think it is confusing for those learning english that there are two ways of spelling so many words. you will see some students mixing the spellings together, sometimes using colour, sometimes color etc..

It's not confusing at all. Do you think anyone would actually see the word 'color' written and not know it means the same as colour? I've never had any kind of problems with that, nor have any of the people I know who've studied English as their second language. Sometimes the difference in words can be a tad bit confusing, like when I was once told to "have a check in the boot of the car", but it wasn't really hard for me to realize that the guy was refering to the trunk. It's only a matter of getting used to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anrakushi
I have nothing against the american accent except for the way you say can't, because that pronunciation is taught to the students i work with in their home countries and it sounds far too similar to can. we pronounce it similar to carn't so the sound is stronger and easier to distinguish in those ESL speakers. however in native speakers of American English i haven't noticed it being as hard to distinguish but i think learners have difficulty pronouncing it your way so it turns out similar to can.

Well a and æ are two different sounds. The a sound in 'can' is hardly audible [k'n] but this very same sound in 'can't' sounds more like kean(t)

It's really not hard to distinguish after hearing it lots of times ^^

Georgyone 02-06-2008 04:20 PM

Trading japanese for spanish
 
I see you have received many offers to learn british english and spanish languages.
I'd like to learn japanese, so if you agree let's start trading as you wish.

Regards
G.
:)

noodle 02-06-2008 05:04 PM

Suki, I do wonder whether you know how supercilious you are. :rolleyes:
Now that I've resigned from the rhyming competition I will explain the inconspicuous yet important differences between American and British English.
As a starting point I will simply point out some differences using examples;

With regards to tenses;

British: I've already seen that film.
American: I've already seen that film OR I already saw that film.

Please note, I already saw that film is considered grammatically wrong if you are using British English.


British: Have you finished your homework yet?
American: Have your finished your homework yet? OR Did you finish your homework yet?

Yet again, the second option is ALSO grammatically wrong when using British English.


Past simple/past participle;

British: Burnt, dreamt, smelt.
American: Burned, dreamed, smelled.

Of course, the British way is sometimes used in American, but this just goes to show that there is no consistency with the rules sometimes when we are talking about American.

Prepositions;

British;
At the weekend.
In a team.
Write to me soon.

American:
On the weekend.
On a team.
Write me soon.

Those are some examples that may seem insignificant, but believe you me, they are not insignificant in British English. I say in British English because I have no idea how draconian American English teachers are. Also, if you are a student of British English, you will notice that “Write me soon”, doesn’t make any sense to say the least.

There is also something I’d like to point out to you, Suki. Just because you don’t find something hard in English, it in no way does it imply that others do not find it hard. I teach English at many levels here in Paris. From personal experience, I can honestly tell you that many students find American far easier to grasp. And unfortunately, many still have difficulties be it concerning grammar or spelling.
As for the accent that you keep bringing up, there is no “correct” accent per se. People in London have a different accent to people in Newcastle for example. People in Malaga, Spain, have a different accent to people in Barcelona. I know this because I also teach and help Spanish students and even I can recognise the differences in accents between the two. So for the last time, accent’s have nothing to do with what most of us are talking about.

chachava 02-07-2008 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by anrakushi (Post 390464)
ChaChava, that is interesting you say that because at the University i studied at i didn't find that. i found many were learning american english spelling. one student had the biggest fake american accent, it was so funny. but she was such an america lover that she didn't want to talk with non-americans. >< taking things too far.

That is still within the educational system though - most universities have ties with American universities for study-abroad programs (my g/f studied in Philadelphia through such a course)

noodle 02-20-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 375914)
You can also get different accents in english too. But the 'wotah' thing suki? well, not everyone has that accent.

lol, thats true actually. Of all the friends I have in england, I can only think of two people that don't pronounce the "r" properly.

Suki 02-20-2008 02:46 PM

Fine!
Okay, the truth is that... English people seem to hate me, so I'm just hating back on them >.>"

Nah, actually... I dunno, I guess the fact that I used to be taken points off on every English test cause I spelled words the American way might have influenced a little bit =P but hey I'm cool with British people, for real.



Pd- I am NOT supercilious...

koaku 02-20-2008 02:51 PM

like every day LOOOOOOL ELLE VEUT TA PEAU

noodle 02-20-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by koaku (Post 405073)
like every day LOOOOOOL ELLE VEUT TA PEAU

Hahahahaha... j'menfou...! :D

Suki 02-20-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by koaku (Post 405073)
ELLE VEUT TA PEAU

And that means what? :mad:

noodle 02-20-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 405102)
And that means what? :mad:

He's basically saying you LOVE me !!!

koaku 02-20-2008 04:00 PM

I didnt say that!! looL

Suki 02-20-2008 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 405116)
He's basically saying you LOVE me !!!

o.Ô

Koaku, keep investigating on my love life and you should come to a conclusion fairly soon ;)

Pd- Does it mean: she wants your skin? =/

HYDfan 02-21-2008 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Acidreptile (Post 348069)
Probably because british english is way cooler.Americans kinda destroys that awesome language with annoying slangs and bad speaking habits.:vsign:

That's so stupid! Why are you hating on us? We were raised the way we were raised, and we speak like this because we grew up with it! We didn't change the language. It's just about accent and inflections, not actual words. Only a few words are different from US English and British English. We didn't ruin anything. I love the way British people speak. Stop hating on us because we speak differently. It's still the same language.


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