what's bad in japan?

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

I recall his speech being that no matter how hard men in the government may sit around talking about how the population should increase, and coming up with grand schemes... It all comes down to women - There is a limited number of women, and in that population there is a limited number of "baby producing units" ie. functional wombs with willing owners - so it is best we can do is to ask them to do their best for the population.

In other words, instead of old men sitting around trading theories, why not ask those who really do have the power to increase the population to do their best.

If you ignore his wording, I think what he said is very accurate, and is in fact empowering to women as he refers to them as the ones with the power, and refers to asking/begging them to do their best.

Thank you for the translation. As one of the many here who do not speak Japanese, even being able to read it didn't help get the actual meaning.

[Tsuzuki]

uhm. I go next month to Tokyo x) ehm... wel... oO .... the tread °° ... is very helpfull x)

[blimp]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

I recall his speech being that no matter how hard men in the government may sit around talking about how the population should increase, and coming up with grand schemes... It all comes down to women - There is a limited number of women, and in that population there is a limited number of "baby producing units" ie. functional wombs with willing owners - so it is best we can do is to ask them to do their best for the population.

In other words, instead of old men sitting around trading theories, why not ask those who really do have the power to increase the population to do their best.

If you ignore his wording, I think what he said is very accurate, and is in fact empowering to women as he refers to them as the ones with the power, and refers to asking/begging them to do their best.

and i who always thought, making a child, giving birth to it and raising it was the responsibility of the two parents. seems a bit one sided to only reach out to one side.

i'm sry but i don't see him saying functional wombs with willing owners.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by blimp

and i who always thought, making a child, giving birth to it and raising it was the responsibility of the two parents. seems a bit one sided to only reach out to one side.

i'm sry but i don't see him saying functional wombs with willing owners.

You`re still taking things out of context. He was saying that instead of men sitting around there debating and coming up with schemes about making more children... They have NO POWER ALONE to create them. They alone cannot give birth, nor can they make the choice alone to have children or not. In the end, that power and choice lies in the hands of women - and as there are limited numbers of "equipment" for making babies, the best we can do is to ask women to do their best as men lack that equipment.

He doesn`t say that in the original speech, at least not at that part. He is challenged on the statement, and clarifies a bit later - and then made countless apologies later explaining what he meant. Which, in the context of the REST of the speech, makes sense.

Either way, I`m sure that if I wanted to waste the time I could find countless examples of wording gaffes made by those in power in ANY country out there. This was a HUGE issue in Japan. Those offended didn`t just sit there are say "Well, that`s just the way it is." - No, they gathered and had big events. I think the popular reaction says a LOT more about a country than the poor wording choices of someone in the government.

ETA; The media persecution of this guy is a major pet peeve of mine, being as he was one of the main people pushing for reforms that would be incredibly positive for families and mothers. He was pushing for assistance programs that would give money during pregnancy, prior to the birth. Now, all the financial assistance comes after the baby is born and after you`ve paid out of pocket for everything. The speech (or rather discussion) itself was about making changes to make having a child more appealing to women as in the end, they have the final say. Yes, it takes two to raise a child, but no matter how much a man wants to have a baby he cannot force his wife to get pregnant if she doesn`t want to. And as it is women who traditionally manage the household finances, they are the ones who feel the economic stress more directly and acutely than their husbands - and in turn are choosing not to have children. Alleviate some of those issues, and you`ll alleviate a big chunk of the population decrease...
But no, now no one will take the guy seriously - despite how much he was working toward extremely positive programs - because the media decided to snap up on one little wording gaffe in one small somewhat informal discussion.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by JoshAussie

Is it desperation to find a husband before that age? like a rush? its like they dont care who they marry as long as they marry? well from what iv head so far anyway.. like the thing with the foreigners.. "oh !@#$ im 26 and not married.. better find a foreigner"

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EDIT: i find myself extremely interested in Japanese relationships.. i duno why

Christmas cake because it's after the 25th. Because guys want to mary a young woman. Would you rather mary a 25 year-old or a 45 year-old?
Some people may find this a harsh statement, but human biology is what it is.

[JoshAussie]

Originally Posted by Paul11

Christmas cake because it's after the 25th. Because guys want to mary a young woman. Would you rather mary a 25 year-old or a 45 year-old?
Some people may find this a harsh statement, but human biology is what it is.

lol, arent they considered "Cake" after 26 tho? thats still pretty young.. alltho im getting your point haha..

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by JoshAussie

lol, arent they considered "Cake" after 26 tho? thats still pretty young.. alltho im getting your point haha..

Different countries, different cultures. But that is an old saying. The marriage age has been raising steadily over the last 10 years. It's probably closer to 27 now and 28-30 has become less than out of the ordinary.

You'll understand someday

[MMM]

Most young people in Japan today would not be familiar with the term "Christmas Cake" for a girl over 25, as many women wait much longer to get married than they did a generation ago.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by MMM

Most young people in Japan today would not be familiar with the term "Christmas Cake" for a girl over 25, as many women wait much longer to get married than they did a generation ago.

I think I just said that.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by blimp

and i who always thought, making a child, giving birth to it and raising it was the responsibility of the two parents. seems a bit one sided to only reach out to one side.

i'm sry but i don't see him saying functional wombs with willing owners.

Yes, both parents have that role. But there is no doubting that women are usually more successfull at nurturing. The psychology and body chemistry is there from actually carrying the child to nursing. If you notice, little boys often play with things and manipulate toys oblivious to the world around. Little girls more often play by interracting with people. If you give a baby girl a toy truck she will treat it like it has a personality and cary it and put it to sleep with a blanket. A boy will drag that truck through the mud.

Of course both parents have responsibilites but they play different roles, which is why there are two sexes and why it's good to have one of each in the house.