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MuRaSaKiiNkI 09-27-2010 01:11 AM

Discussion: Foreigners in Japan 二本に外国人
 
I've been learning Japanese for three years, which isn't much. Pretty soon I'll be graduating from college and, hopefully, teaching English overseas in Japan. I've always wanted to live for at least a year in Japan, but I'm worried about infringing on the citizens, and any people already teaching there. I know Japan is a small island, and overpopulated already, and more and more people are fleeing for Japan in these troubling economic times.

Therefore, I'm wondering, even though I've wanted to live there for a long time, what's the situation over there? Is there still a need for English teachers? I'm interested in hearing from everyone.

すみません、日本語が悪いよ。。。三年間、日本語を勉 強しました。来年、大学を卒業して、日本へ英語を教え て行くつもりです。一年間、日本に住みたいですが、安 心しています。日本は小さい島で、たくさんの人があり ます。毎日、もっと人が日本へ行っているので。。。

そして、日本に住みたいですが。。。いいですか。英語 の先生がまだほしいですか。英語を書いてください。 (I probably butchered that, but I'm still interested in practicing my Japanese. I'm open to corrections!)

GoNative 09-27-2010 01:22 AM

Lots of other threads with info on this. It's a tough market at the moment with far more people looking for english teaching jobs than there are available.
I reckon if you want to teach english overseas China is your best bet now with a surge in demand for english teachers there. A bit like what is was like in Japan many years ago.

samurai007 09-27-2010 04:21 PM

Applying for the JET program is probably the best way to go.

MMM 09-27-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MuRaSaKiiNkI (Post 830626)
I've been learning Japanese for three years, which isn't much. Pretty soon I'll be graduating from college and, hopefully, teaching English overseas in Japan. I've always wanted to live for at least a year in Japan, but I'm worried about infringing on the citizens, and any people already teaching there. I know Japan is a small island, and overpopulated already, and more and more people are fleeing for Japan in these troubling economic times.

Therefore, I'm wondering, even though I've wanted to live there for a long time, what's the situation over there? Is there still a need for English teachers? I'm interested in hearing from everyone.

I don't understand why "infringing on the citizens" means. Japan is a group of islands, and the majority of the country is not overcrowded or overpopulated at all. People are fleeing Japan? Where are you hearing these stories?

There will always be a need for English teachers, but it is a competitive field, and getting more so as the population dips and as people are staying longer in their positions to wait out the world's poor financial situation.

spicytuna 09-27-2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 830738)
I don't understand why "infringing on the citizens" means. Japan is a group of islands, and the majority of the country is not overcrowded or overpopulated at all. People are fleeing Japan? Where are you hearing these stories?

I think he's afraid that Japan might tip over and capsize like Guam.


MuRaSaKiiNkI 09-27-2010 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spicytuna (Post 830756)
I think he's afraid that Japan might tip over and capsize like Guam.

Not necessarily, and I'm a woman. I'm more worried about job openings, living space, and attitudes towards foreign people.

MuRaSaKiiNkI 09-27-2010 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 830738)
I don't understand why "infringing on the citizens" means. Japan is a group of islands, and the majority of the country is not overcrowded or overpopulated at all. People are fleeing Japan? Where are you hearing these stories?

There will always be a need for English teachers, but it is a competitive field, and getting more so as the population dips and as people are staying longer in their positions to wait out the world's poor financial situation.

Infringing is unwelcome pressure on the citizens' space. I've just always heard of Japan being very crowded, especially around the busy cities of Tokyo, Osaka, and Fukuoka. I'm saying people are fleeing from America, we have a poor economy right now, and a lot of my classmates and friends want to leave the country to others, mainly Japan for some reason.

Yeah, I heard that it was getting competitive, and the economy isn't much better than America right now (which makes it odd Americans want to teach there). But, with the economic situation, population, and competition, I was just concerned about whether there was a need for English teachers anymore. Thanks for answering my question.

Swordmaster 09-27-2010 11:32 PM

I couldn't help but notice that you mentioned overpopulation was a concern, among other things such as butting in on the teachers already there.


Let me say this, even if it's already been said:


Currently, Japan is in a rather turbulent period. With the dropping birthrates and mass of elderly people, the population is thinning out and will be on a steep decline if action isn't taken. The Japanese government is trying to solve this by stocking up on people, so-to-speak. This means that exchange students, foreign teachers, workers and the likes will be in more demand.

Not only are they searching for ways to solve their population problem, but Japan is in the middle of a major business transition. As of recent, many Japanese companies are prodding their employees to become proficient in English due to the practical implications in the business world - seeing as how English is pretty much an international language.

You should do quite well if you exploit these points.

You'll be fine; just watch out for the abundant discrimination/disposition of the populace - so I hear.

MuRaSaKiiNkI 09-27-2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordmaster (Post 830762)
I couldn't help but notice that you mentioned overpopulation was a concern, among other things such as butting in on the teachers already there.


Let me say this, even if it's already been said:


Currently, Japan is in a rather turbulent period. With the dropping birthrates and mass of elderly people, the population is thinning out and will be on a steep decline if action isn't taken. The Japanese government is trying to solve this by stocking up on people, so-to-speak. This means that exchange students, foreign teachers, workers and the likes will be in more demand.

Not only are they searching for ways to solve their population problem, but Japan is in the middle of a major business transition. As of recent, many Japanese companies are prodding their employees to become proficient in English due to the practical implications in the business world - seeing as how English is pretty much an international language.

You should do quite well if you exploit these points.

You'll be fine; just watch out for the abundant discrimination/disposition of the populace - so I hear.

Thanks Swordmaster. I've also heard about discrimination, especially in the country. However, I'm still looking forward to studying abroad next semester, and hopefully I can check it out for myself while I'm there. I appreciate the advice!

MMM 09-28-2010 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MuRaSaKiiNkI (Post 830759)
Infringing is unwelcome pressure on the citizens' space. I've just always heard of Japan being very crowded, especially around the busy cities of Tokyo, Osaka, and Fukuoka. I'm saying people are fleeing from America, we have a poor economy right now, and a lot of my classmates and friends want to leave the country to others, mainly Japan for some reason.

Yeah, I heard that it was getting competitive, and the economy isn't much better than America right now (which makes it odd Americans want to teach there). But, with the economic situation, population, and competition, I was just concerned about whether there was a need for English teachers anymore. Thanks for answering my question.

There are 10s of thousands of non-Japanese living in Japan, maybe more. If you like urban life, I think all three of those cities are pretty livable. Rarely have I thought "Gosh, it's so crowded" in any of those places except for aboard certain trains when I made the mistake of riding during the peak hours from the most busy station.

And I understand what you meant by "fleeing". Though the economic crisis isn't limited to the US.

English teaching has always been competitive. The economy doesn't really matter if you can get a job. People don't worry about world or country economies, they worry about personal economies. There is always a need for English teachers, but those positions aren't the "secret" they were a couple decades ago.

Swordmaster 09-28-2010 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MuRaSaKiiNkI (Post 830769)
Thanks Swordmaster. I've also heard about discrimination, especially in the country. However, I'm still looking forward to studying abroad next semester, and hopefully I can check it out for myself while I'm there. I appreciate the advice!

No thanks needed. At least you're not Japanese and unable to speak it (I bet I'll get an earful when I'm over there...)

I was wondering - please excuse me if I had missed a tidbit of info - where exactly are you heading to teach (in Japan, I mean)? I mean, if you're going to Tokyo for 2011/2012, then I can pop by and say hi while I'm at the ICU - if everything goes well, that is.

Ah, this reminds me... be mindful of your surroundings and don't go out late at night.... I wouldn't want you to run into some of the weirdos of the night.

I'll end my post at that before lack of sleep make me any less coherent.

MMM 09-28-2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Swordmaster (Post 830845)
Ah, this reminds me... be mindful of your surroundings and don't go out late at night.... I wouldn't want you to run into some of the weirdos of the night.

I would feel much safer walking around downtown Tokyo, Osaka, or any other city in Japan late at night than I would in London, New York, Los Angeles, or even my hometown of Portland, OR.

Swordmaster 09-28-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 830846)
I would feel much safer walking around downtown Tokyo, Osaka, or any other city in Japan late at night than I would in London, New York, Los Angeles, or even my hometown of Portland, OR.

Hah, I suppose you have a good point there. But there's just the word of caution. Weird people are everywhere... they could be among your friends - your family - they could even be you.

Alright, I'll stop trying to spook her. But seriously, y'gotta be careful.

MMM 09-28-2010 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Swordmaster (Post 830848)
Hah, I suppose you have a good point there. But there's just the word of caution. Weird people are everywhere... they could be among your friends - your family - they could even be you.

Alright, I'll stop trying to spook her. But seriously, y'gotta be careful.

You should be careful anywhere, that is true.

MuRaSaKiiNkI 09-29-2010 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Swordmaster (Post 830845)
No thanks needed. At least you're not Japanese and unable to speak it (I bet I'll get an earful when I'm over there...)

I was wondering - please excuse me if I had missed a tidbit of info - where exactly are you heading to teach (in Japan, I mean)? I mean, if you're going to Tokyo for 2011/2012, then I can pop by and say hi while I'm at the ICU - if everything goes well, that is.

Ah, this reminds me... be mindful of your surroundings and don't go out late at night.... I wouldn't want you to run into some of the weirdos of the night.

I'll end my post at that before lack of sleep make me any less coherent.

Oh, and I am half-Japanese, and my last name's Nakamura 中村 lol XD. I don't know where I'm teaching, I haven't graduated yet, and I still have at least a year more to go. I'm studying abroad in January-May 2011. After that, who knows? I probably won't teach in Tokyo though, but somewhere on Northern Honshu in a suburban or rural area.

Lol, if I can walk around NY, Chicago, San Fran, and Detroit at night, I think I can handle yakuza and other crazies. Of course, I'll be careful, but I tend to stay around crowds of people in a new place anyway. I'm not that adventurous!

edit: or stupid.

GoNative 09-29-2010 05:29 AM

I get along with the Yakuza up this way really well. I've spent enough money in some of their bars and karaoke establishments in town over the years to demand some little respect ;)

Swordmaster 09-29-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MuRaSaKiiNkI (Post 830970)
Oh, and I am half-Japanese, and my last name's Nakamura 中村 lol XD. I don't know where I'm teaching, I haven't graduated yet, and I still have at least a year more to go. I'm studying abroad in January-May 2011. After that, who knows? I probably won't teach in Tokyo though, but somewhere on Northern Honshu in a suburban or rural area.

Lol, if I can walk around NY, Chicago, San Fran, and Detroit at night, I think I can handle yakuza and other crazies. Of course, I'll be careful, but I tend to stay around crowds of people in a new place anyway. I'm not that adventurous!

edit: or stupid.

Sweet, we're in the same boat. My last name is shared by a (somewhat notable singer, whose first name is Shion). If you were only going abroad in September 2011-April 2012; we'd be going during the same terms. Ah well.

I'm still a lowly 2nd year, anyways... I'll wait a few years before I begin teaching. When you've gotten an awesome teaching job, over there, you've gotta give me some tips before I make a total fool of myself.

As for the crazies... crazies are crazies, be careful about them. It never hurts to be too careful.

MuRaSaKiiNkI 09-30-2010 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 830977)
I get along with the Yakuza up this way really well. I've spent enough money in some of their bars and karaoke establishments in town over the years to demand some little respect ;)

lol, so if I ever get into a jam, I'll just message you on here and you'll back me up, right? XD


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