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and those types of families are living in Japan temporarily...majority of them have already moved abroad to China, Korea, Philippines |
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Most international marriages between Japanese and other Asians stay in Japan. Japan tends to have the higher standard of living, and Asian wife-Japanese husband is the most common combination. (The husband's home country tends to have more weight than the wife's). Along the same lines, most marriages between actual westerners are western husband-Japanese wife, so they leave Japan far more often than stay. Either way though - the figures you quoted are for ALL international marriages in Japan. NOT for only non-Asian international marriages. I recall reading something like a 3000-4000 marriage range for westerner-Japanese marriages, with 75% moving outside of Japan within the first few years. A marriage registered in Japan doesn't mean a couple lives in Japan after the marriage. You can go on and on about how I am wrong and a dreamy future of mixed Japanese-caucasian children, but the figures do not support it at all. |
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read this...mixed race..as in non-asian..as in westerner Quote:
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"One of their subjects is David Yano, a half Ghanaian-" Ghana. Africa. Not western. "-the Oi family—a Japanese father, Mexican mother and their two children—" Mexico. Western arguably, but not white like you seem to be implying. "-will be debating the issue of whether to naturalize or not, and another will represent the most common demographic for hafu, an Asian mix, exploring what the issue of identity is like for someone who, on a superficial level at least, blends easily into Japanese society." This is EXACTLY what Nyororin was saying. The vast vast majority of mix-race children are half-japanese half-asian. They do not stand out from the crowd. 29 of those 30 babies will look Japanese, speak Japanese and know predominantly only Japanese culture. They're not going to be the harbingers of massive social change, save that the Japanese diet might start to include more kimchi. On a different note I always think it's kind of interesting that people of mixed Ainu/Japanese heritage aren't usually counted as 'hafu'. Technically they do have mixed racial profiles. |
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Ummm thats because Ainu are japanese LOL korean women aren't exactly flocking to get married to japanese men, this ain't 1940s anymore....its actually the other way around....Asian women are migrating to Korea to get married...and western men and women are migrating to Japan to get married.. |
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It appears that he is cherry picking specific phrases and bits of information to form an image of Japan and mixing of races that just simply doesn't exist.
"Hafu", as they are called in the article, are a mix of Japanese and ANY ethnic background other than Japanese. It can be western, or it can be (as is overwhelmingly common) Asian. A child born to a Japanese parent and a Chinese or Korean parent is going to just as much a "hafu" as one born to a Japanese parent and an American parent. The visibility is just going to be different - one will be obvious, and one will be invisible. Quote:
Right now, I see tons of Korean and Filipino women coming to Japan and trying to get married... And succeeding, it seems, as they are at the top of international marriages. I can't speak for other Asian countries, but while there may be plenty of Korean idols popular in Japan - you certainly don't see Korea depicted as the place to go and find a husband. As for western men and women migrating to Japan to get married... There are a fair number of western men who either want to have sex with Japanese/Asian women, and a fair number who want a "submissive Asian wife", but you don't see many of them actually moving to Japan. As for western women migrating to Japan to get married....:rolleyes: It is a very exclusive club, to put it lightly. |
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If I post something on YouTube, does it make it official, true, or statistically correct?
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The American/europeans who come here mostly come for the experience of living in a safe asian country on what is generally a glorified gap year or to study but they're certainly not considering marriage. Put it this way, I'm willing to bet I know a damn few more foreigners living in Japan right now than you do, and not a one of them has 'get married' as a goal here. Get laid, yes, but not married. And I know more than three couples who did get married here- but to other foreigners! The Ainu are listed as 'Japanese' by nationality, but genetically they've got completely separate roots. |
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if we count in the number of westerners who boink japanese...must be the reason why 1 in 30 japanese babies are half westerner...thank you Quote:
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I have finally figured out exactly where this skewed idea is coming from.
Javen, you are misinterpreting two different terms as meaning the same thing when they do not. You are reading the popular use of "half" and term "children from international marriages" as meaning the same thing. "Half" in popular usage does indeed usually refer to mixed Japanese-western individuals... However, the "international marriage" referred to in the statistics is something else entirely. While it includes the parents of the "half" children, it also includes all the other much more numerous non-western international marriages. The statistics are only talking about the international marriages. The sites talking about "halfs" are referring to children of a very specific subsection of those. Just as not every fruit tree is going to be an apple tree, every international marriage is not going to be western-Japanese... However, every apple is going to come from a fruit tree and every western-Japanese marriage is going to be an "international marriage". This sort of warping of meanings isn`t really uncommon - but it is entirely incorrect. In the end, the fact is that only a small number of the international marriages in the "1 in 30" figure are between Japanese and non-Asians. Only those can potentially produce half-western children. All the others will be invisible as Japanese-Asian "halfs". Really, you should go to Japan and see just how many "half" children or western-Japanese couples you spot. It sure won`t even be anywhere vaguely close to "1 in 30" :rolleyes:, even in the most saturated expat areas in Tokyo. But you are welcome to keep constructing this dreamlike vision of a Japan where half of every elementary school class is mixed, instead of the reality of maybe 1 in 1000, if you`re lucky. |
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if these japanese-asian hybrids are really numerous...then why are they called invisible?? hmmm |
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As for Japanese shows - Eurasian halfs are RARE. They are exotic and fascinating because they are so very rare. Exotic and fascinating things are just what television loves to use to get viewers. It has very little connection with real society - in fact, if they were common in normal life, the exotic appeal would be lost and you wouldn`t see them on tv. Quote:
This has been said several times in this thread. They LOOK like other Japanese, so they are not *visible*. Imagine a room full of people born and raised in, say, the UK. While it will not be hard at all to spot a person who has one Asian parent, are you really going to be able to spot the one with one French parent? There is enough variety in Japanese appearance that you are not going to be able to spot someone with one Korean or Chinese parent. I would be seriously impressed if you could spot the one with two French parents or two Korean parents if they had been raised in the same country as the rest of the group. |
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So out of the (no exaggeration) several hundreds of kids and adults I've encountered over the full course of a year and a half, in big city areas where, yes there are expats and quite a few foreigners living... two. Two kids. Not even 10. I have seen more Geisha, more sumo, more yakuza, more obese japanese people, more hookers and more monks than I have seen western halfs. I have met more people who have NEVER met a foreigner before than I have seen halfs. |
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Jeez, you talk about it likes it's breeding cows or something.
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The term "half" is a poorly evolved Japanese English word which some mixed race individuals find demeaning when used to describe them.
It is not the proper word to use when described someone of more than one race in English, so let's refrain from using it here. |
okay this has nothing to do with japanese or anything...just wanted to ask you if you would consider this family to be multiracial??
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There is a different in what is perceived as "in style" and popular in media... and actual features. There is a distinct set of features that are popular in Korean media, and a distinct set that is popular in Japanese media. These are slightly different. People who have the traits popular in their country`s media are selected and displayed in the media (or they try to emphasize the traits either through makeup, styling, or surgery). The actual population, however, overlaps almost completely in appearance. Japanese and Koreans are very similar in ethnic background. I would say that China is much more varied in it`s ethnic groups, with some groups having very distinct appearances... Still though, as Japan has such wide variety in appearances - you would NOT be able to tell in the great majority of the cases. Can you distinguish between someone Korean, born and raised in Korea, who follows Korean fashion and trends... And someone Japanese, born and raised in Japan, who follows Japanese fashion and trends? Yes. But can you distinguish between someone Korean who has been raised in Japan and who follows Japanese fashion and trends? Sorry, but I highly doubt it. Fashion and makeup has a LOT more to do with the "differences" than people realize. This is what makes it easy to spot a 100% Japanese person who was raised in the US - the fashion, makeup, etc stands out. Quote:
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care to guess their ethnicities?? |
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Note: up to 230,000 Brazilians of Japanese origin migrated to Japan in the 1990s to work in industries; some have returned to Brazil (2004) Definition: This entry provides an ordered listing of ethnic groups starting with the largest and normally includes the percent of total population. Source: CIA World Fact book - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of July 12, 2011 There are two major theories of ethnicity in the social sciences today. Those are the primordial perspective and the social mobilization perspective. The primordial perspective emphasizes primordial group ties associated with physical affinity, common language, common religion, and other cultural and historical commonalities as the basis of ethnicity. On the other hand, the social mobilization perspective sees ethnicity as an emergent concept in which ethnic connections are created and re-created in the context of adjustment in the host society I suggest that ethnicity is the product of social relationships, which are based on common socio-cultural values. “Ethnicity,” then, is like “society” and “culture” in that the notion is itself dynamic—continuously developing in the context of circumstance and discourse. The boundaries of ethnicity have become blurred and are created through people’s relationships. Ethnic boundaries are being constructed and reconstructed in diverse social environment. By taking a close look at diverse cases of creation and recreation of identities by Japanese transnational migrants, we can gain deeper insights into ethnicity and ethnic identity in the current global context. |
I have a mixed Japanese-American niece.
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does she look like a foreigner??
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My wife and I are so mixed, that if we actually had any kids they would have been born with freaking rocket launcher on their back, speedo-machano-turbo-feet, goblin ramen shop detector, and a Swiss army knife in their pinkies.
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you think she could pass for korean?? technically she is half japanese...but I think she looks foreign and I believe she should not be considered japanese... a westerner who knows the language and assimilated into japanese culture is more identifiable as japanese |
Yeah, faster Korean, as she has wider face than Japanese. She looks to me like mixed with either Korean, Vietnamese, or southern Chinese, possibly even half Filipina. If I saw her on a street in Tokyo she would stand out as a non-Japanese.
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