Inter-racial attraction

[burkhartdesu]

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[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by burkhartdesu

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Um. Okay.

Well, if I offended you, I'm sorry.

[burkhartdesu]

[MMM]

Let's get back on topic.

[burkhartdesu]

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[Barone1551]

Mercedes Can you answer to my post, This happened last time I posted the same questions in another topic. And I got no answer there, and again this time I get no answer.

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by Barone1551

So your basically saying that any and all attraction is based on stereotyping. You cant find someone attractive based on looks alone, it all has to do with how you think this person is?

and on two side notes: there was a time in another thread when you brought up the fact that the color of you skin or skin tone has nothing to do with you as a person. This is very true, it doesnt. You went on this whole speech of saying "does the color of my skin make make me any less of a mother" and so on and so forth. Once again no it does not. But in this same thread you called a women ugly, now by your standards, What made that women any less of a mother or a person. Nothing. You are a pretty big hypocrite.

And on the other side not: since you did say in another thread that you thought it was racist to not be attracted to a certain skin tone, I want to ask you this:

Would you label people who are not attraced to the same sex or are not bisexual as sexist? So if I were to say I am not attracted to the same sex as me, would you then label me as sexist? This seems to follow your same pattern of thinking.

I don't think that's what I'm trying to say... What I'm trying to say is that there are always going to be ideas attached to how a person looks, ideas that influence WHY a person is attracted to another person. I've given a lot of examples, so I don't feel like I need to again.

About that woman... SHE LOOKED LIKE A BLOODY ZOMBIE. I'm sorry, but she was pretty damned ugly. I didn't say that she's any less of a mother. I didn't say that I think being ugly means a woman won't be a good mother. I just said that she was ugly. I'm sorry if you think I'm being hypocritical, but I never claimed that I don't have my own standards of beauty. I most certainly do. All I'm claiming is that there's a reason why I find certain people attractive and others unattractive. It's not "just because." My reason for why I think that woman is ugly? Her face is really sunken, making me think that she's diseased or that she doesn't eat very well. I'm attracted to people who are healthy, and who have the means to feed themselves.

As for sexism... well, yes - I actually do feel that it's sexist. There are many books about sexism being attached to heterosexuality, and is definitely a really interesting discussion if you want to get into it (without getting into an argument, because I'm not in the mood for another one of those.) I have to say, though, that I'm really interested in sexuality and gender, and I WILL go on forever about it... So if you want me to elaborate, I'd have to come back and talk about it later because I'm a little drained right now.

[Barone1551]

cool thanks

So just to be clear, Any one who is not Bi sexual is then sexist?

[bELyVIS]

Originally Posted by mercedesjin

I'm not asking you to apologize. I guess you assuming that I am means you're being slightly defensive, which suggests that you feel guilty about something. I don't have anything to do with that, though.

Again, it's great that you have a loving relationship. But both this time and last time, you said that you like that she submits to you. I can't remember the exact words, but last time I think you said that you like that she strokes your male ego or something like that. I'm just asking why you like this.

And um - well, I'm not sure if this really has anything to do with this thread, or if it matters at all, but I AM American. I'm also a gay, and have dated women before. The same gender roles seen with men and women are found with lesbians and gay men. Someone is expected to submit. Again, I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the point, but since you brought it up I thought I should clarify.

About divorce and the feminist movement: are you suggesting that women should have remained in an oppressed state for the sanctity of marriage? Oh my.

I already explained why porn and rape have to do with this post. It's violence against women. Women's rights are not all about, "It's YOUR turn to do the dishes, honey!" as you had suggested before. I was merely trying to straighten that out for you.

1. I like it that she is submissive because she is at a level I can work with to bring her up to a 50-50 partner. If she was trying to be more equal (which is what most women I know do) then it would be next to impossible to get her down to a 50-50 level. (You are showing this on these posts). Yes, I enjoy it sometimes that she strokes my male ego, all men do. Anyone that says no to this is lying. She also knows she can use this to her advantage if needed (she's a smart woman).
2. You are a American citizen. The US Territories are far different from the mainland in thinking and culture. Look at Puerto Rico for example.
3. Here you claim you are gay, yet in another post you claim you are bisexual. There is a big difference. Make up your mind. You are trying to present your arguments from 2 completely different viewpoints.
4.I am not saying that women should be oppressed. Just by their attempting to be equal, they have overshot this goal and think that they can only be equal is by castrating men. Men have to question their role in marriage now and that is why marriages are failing. My father doesn't oppress my mom, but his role is traditionally defined and he feels like he runs the family. In truth, my mother has feminine ways to manipulate him if need be without taking his manhood away.
Does this answer your questions?

[mercedesjin]

Originally Posted by bELyVIS

1. I like it that she is submissive because she is at a level I can work with to bring her up to a 50-50 partner. If she was trying to be more equal (which is what most women I know do) then it would be next to impossible to get her down to a 50-50 level. (You are showing this on these posts). Yes, I enjoy it sometimes that she strokes my male ego, all men do. Anyone that says no to this is lying. She also knows she can use this to her advantage if needed (she's a smart woman).
2. You are a American citizen. The US Territories are far different from the mainland in thinking and culture. Look at Puerto Rico for example.
3. Here you claim you are gay, yet in another post you claim you are bisexual. There is a big difference. Make up your mind. You are trying to present your arguments from 2 completely different viewpoints.
4.I am not saying that women should be oppressed. Just by their attempting to be equal, they have overshot this goal and think that they can only be equal is by castrating men. Men have to question their role in marriage now and that is why marriages are failing. My father doesn't oppress my mom, but his role is traditionally defined and he feels like he runs the family. In truth, my mother has feminine ways to manipulate him if need be without taking his manhood away.
Does this answer your questions?

Thanks for answering them. But, they just bring up more questions for me. I'll use numbers too, just because it's easier that way.

1. You suggested earlier that women now have too much power in relationships, throwing true relationships out of whack. Do you feel that, if a man were fighting for a 50-50 relationship, the relationship would fall apart? Do you think, then, that a man should submit to the woman so that the relationship can then and only then achieve true equality?

2. Yes, I am an American citizen. (Though I'm a second-class American citizen. I don't have the same rights as those born on the mainland. Even the idea of being US "territory" makes me second-class.) I'm also West Indian. West Indian is my ethnicity. Believe it or not, though, I understand a LOT about American culture. America has influenced the USVI greatly. I've also spent the last two years living in New York.

3. Today, vocabulary like gay, lesbian, queer, and bisexual are interchangeable because more and more people are starting to realize that sexuality is fluid. One day, I might only be attracted to women. The next, I might only be attracted to men. I'm sorry if I confused you.

4. What do you believe is the man's role in marriage? Also, what happens if two men get married, or if two women get married? What will their roles be then?