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04-03-2011, 09:26 PM

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But yeah.. it particularly annoys me how this stereotype feeds overall into whitey's superiority complex over not just Japanese... but Asians in general and is really not all that different to how whitey sees itself as superior to the black man.

In the same way as Africans or Arabs are stereotyped as "savage" and "stupid" (or at the very least not as smart).. Asians are stereotyped as being effeminate (or at the very least not as manly).
I think this takes things a bit too far out of context. If someone gives you some kind of empirical data that shows a particular trend to be true (such as the "inch" discussion before), I don't think it's necessary to grasp at something like racist undertones and link them to a topic that may have a less desirable outcome for at least one party (in this case, the claim against asians).

When discussing national average, we're given just that, an average. I have no problem admitting that (since I'm American), I'm sure a deal of black men may be on the higher end of the average spectrum for the American national average. That's not to say that all black men are packing, but biologically there seem to be trends to show that they have the potential to be bigger. But although they may be racially black, they still contribute to the national average as Americans, which could be a potential factor in international size differences. America isn't just white people, so I don't know how (for at least America's sake), the white man is at it again to bring other races down.

Similarly, you brought up Camaroon as the largest sized nation. Well a quick search showed that the population size is of men 15 and over (taking into account puberty) is only about 9 million. Compare that to the US which has about 118 million in the same age bracket. One sample size is 20x larger than the other, so there's going to be MUCH more skewed data as a result. So of course we could acknowledge that they may have the highest "concentration," but does that really have the same relevance when knowing what the population size is? It's like the fattest nation in the world has a population in the thousands. Half of America is obese (150 million). Which is a stronger statistic? This isn't "whitey" trying to make himself feel superior, it's objectively looking at data and weighing it.


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04-03-2011, 09:35 PM

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lol.. yeah it kinda is because it's literally about penis size. (Not sure if it's a New Zealand wide colloquialism but in my group of friends at least... to have a "dick measuring contest" is to argue or talk about something so stupid or irrelevant simply to boost your ego or status)

But yeah.. it particularly annoys me how this stereotype feeds overall into whitey's superiority complex over not just Japanese... but Asians in general and is really not all that different to how whitey sees itself as superior to the black man.

In the same way as Africans or Arabs are stereotyped as "savage" and "stupid" (or at the very least not as smart).. Asians are stereotyped as being effeminate (or at the very least not as manly).

And these misunderstood statistics surrounding penis size feed into that stereotype which is stupid on two counts because a) It doesn't really work on an individual level and is really not all that much of an "advantage" (as I try to explain in a statistical way) but also b).. because it doesn't REALLY matter. I mean having a bigger member is definitely an advantage. But so is not being overweight or hairy (something East Asians beat white people in statistically)
Quote for truth. I think guys actually care more about dick sizes that chicks do. An inch difference doesn't seem like anything to me :/ I know I don't give two shits about size. I do care about a man's general appearance, intelligence/personality and physical shape.

"Wow, you're intelligent, funny, hot and in great shape... but wait-- You have a smaller than average cock!? Deal's off!" That shit would never go down. And if it did, the chick in that situation would have to astoundingly ignorant and fucking retarded.

And I too am GREATLY annoyed by some of the comments made by white guys about how much better they are than Asian guys. You should see some of the comments here; YouTube - Rape Club - Japan and YouTube - Gigolo's - Japan
It's disgusting.
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04-03-2011, 10:58 PM

The problem isn't that Asians are being stereotyped as effeminate. The problem is non-Asians have a problem with this in the first place. The majority of men are just going about their business really. In Japan,no-one expects them to hold things a certain way or walk a certain way. No-one cares if they buy a man bag. They can eat a banana if they want. I mean yes occasionally someone will call them gay if they're getting close to another man and women say they don't want feminised men now even though for years they said they did but apart from that,I should be able to walk. Down a street. This is the biggest problem I have with this country. Racism is fine,in comparison. I can deal with racism. This is why I don't understand the Japanese suicide rate.
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04-04-2011, 12:36 AM

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The problem isn't that Asians are being stereotyped as effeminate. The problem is non-Asians have a problem with this in the first place. The majority of men are just going about their business really. In Japan,no-one expects them to hold things a certain way or walk a certain way. No-one cares if they buy a man bag. They can eat a banana if they want. I mean yes occasionally someone will call them gay if they're getting close to another man and women say they don't want feminised men now even though for years they said they did but apart from that,I should be able to walk. Down a street. This is the biggest problem I have with this country. Racism is fine,in comparison. I can deal with racism. This is why I don't understand the Japanese suicide rate.
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Japanese men ARE more feminine but just by western standards...
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04-04-2011, 04:35 AM

You know, whenever the subject of penis size comes up... I kind of wonder why no one ever brings up the correlation to body size. It`s as if the penis is an entity isolated from other rules of development and growth.

In general, someone who is physically smaller is likely going to be physically smaller everywhere. Someone who is physically larger is likely going to be physically smaller everywhere. The penis doesn`t sprout in isolation.

My personal experience is that there has been no noticeable difference - but all the guys I have dated have been in the same height range. (175cm to 180cm). There is no real reason to expect a difference - the penis grows with the body.

Now, if I were to have dated a guy <160cm tall, and then compared him to someone >200cm tall... There is definitely reason to expect some difference. And no doubt, there would be a difference unless they were both flukes.


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You know, whenever the subject of penis size comes up... I kind of wonder why no one ever brings up the correlation to body size. It`s as if the penis is an entity isolated from other rules of development and growth.

In general, someone who is physically smaller is likely going to be physically smaller everywhere. Someone who is physically larger is likely going to be physically smaller everywhere. The penis doesn`t sprout in isolation.

My personal experience is that there has been no noticeable difference - but all the guys I have dated have been in the same height range. (175cm to 180cm). There is no real reason to expect a difference - the penis grows with the body.

Now, if I were to have dated a guy <160cm tall, and then compared him to someone >200cm tall... There is definitely reason to expect some difference. And no doubt, there would be a difference unless they were both flukes.
Haha! Great point! I hadn't really thought about that
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04-04-2011, 05:40 AM

Of the 10,000 porno movies i've accidently clicked and accidently viewed half way through or more. ( I probably wouldnt watch as many if I werent so lazy, because I would have a nice GF )

Ive noticed that half the japanese guys are my size and half of them are just behind.
I cant imagine porno movies from japan avoiding bigger weenies in place of smaller ones, so I cant believe that the movies themselves dont paint an accurate picture.
It basically comes down to.
Half the blackies out there seem to have an inch more than me.
half of them dont.
that being said. and I love all people from all race. I wouldn't trade that extra inch, if it came with the wonders of loving ghetto rap and being black.

So im sure the japanese are proud to be japanese , and say the same thing about whities.
Im just being honest. I love all peoples.
just because 12 out of the 14 murders in my city this year have been from one race, does not mean that the other 99.99 percent are like that.
they just happen to be black 90 percent of the time.


-shrug.

I have a GF that talks about things to me, alot, she isnt afraid to tell me anything.
She tells me that she can do just as well (When it comes to orgasims) with smaller ones, as she can with bigger ones.
I find it hard to believe, id think bigger would make it easier. But she says otherwise.
but at the same time, sometimes she says bigger is better also.

I believe it comes down half to size, half to how you use everything with everything else included : )

that being said. an amazing experience is probably +2 better with any +2's you can tack on anywhere. But you can still win the best ball games with no +2s.
And half the time +2 isnt the win. half the time its the rest of the game.

Rofl @ horribly botched metaphors thrown together with no reguards to the backspace button or reform X_x

I find it funny that people ask this question in the first place.
I could be wrong, but I just kind of assumed this was how it was, from the begining.

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04-04-2011, 06:15 AM

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I think this takes things a bit too far out of context. If someone gives you some kind of empirical data that shows a particular trend to be true (such as the "inch" discussion before), I don't think it's necessary to grasp at something like racist undertones and link them to a topic that may have a less desirable outcome for at least one party (in this case, the claim against asians).

When discussing national average, we're given just that, an average. I have no problem admitting that (since I'm American), I'm sure a deal of black men may be on the higher end of the average spectrum for the American national average. That's not to say that all black men are packing, but biologically there seem to be trends to show that they have the potential to be bigger. But although they may be racially black, they still contribute to the national average as Americans, which could be a potential factor in international size differences. America isn't just white people, so I don't know how (for at least America's sake), the white man is at it again to bring other races down.

Similarly, you brought up Camaroon as the largest sized nation. Well a quick search showed that the population size is of men 15 and over (taking into account puberty) is only about 9 million. Compare that to the US which has about 118 million in the same age bracket. One sample size is 20x larger than the other, so there's going to be MUCH more skewed data as a result. So of course we could acknowledge that they may have the highest "concentration," but does that really have the same relevance when knowing what the population size is? It's like the fattest nation in the world has a population in the thousands. Half of America is obese (150 million). Which is a stronger statistic? This isn't "whitey" trying to make himself feel superior, it's objectively looking at data and weighing it.
Eh? I think you're referring to how data is SUPPOSED to be looked at while I'm talking about how data is used to reinforce bogus stereotypes.

I've been privy to such stereotypes being expressed quite a lot and I don't think you can deny that it happens and permeates society to an extent.

The data on nations is skewed no doubt.. I only really brought it up because RealJames thought the French were the biggest. lol... I just wanted him to know that if his hypothetical daughter decides to "play the odds" then he's going to have black grandchildren. (Which of course there is nothing wrong with)
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Japanese men ARE more feminine but just by western standards...
No... Japanese men are more feminine just by YOUR standards.
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04-04-2011, 06:20 AM

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No... Japanese men are more feminine just by YOUR standards.
ok, and my standards just happen to be western, as most western people tend to have the same standards I do, if not similar. Considering "the west" is where I came from, it makes sense
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