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mercedesjin 08-13-2009 04:16 PM
Define sexism.
 
I was looking at the rules in the General Discussion, and I see that it says "no sexism." Ideas of what's sexist differ in culture to culture. For example, some might not think it's sexist to say, "women belong in the kitchen," while to others that's extremely offensive. Since this is an international forum, I think it's important to define what sexism is in the rules.

Also, a question if anyone's willing to answer - why is it against the rules to discuss sexual orientation?

Nyororin 08-13-2009 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mercedesjin (Post 760250)
I was looking at the rules in the General Discussion, and I see that it says "no sexism." Ideas of what's sexist differ in culture to culture. For example, some might not think it's sexist to say, "women belong in the kitchen," while to others that's extremely offensive. Since this is an international forum, I think it's important to define what sexism is in the rules.
If there are flames and insults being hurled based on someone`s gender, it is sexism. If it is an honest cultural difference, the person making the problematic remarks should be able to comprehend that they are offensive to some and avoid talking that way. (They will be pmed about the content.)

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Also, a question if anyone's willing to answer - why is it against the rules to discuss sexual orientation?
Because religious discussion is against the rules. There has NEVER been a discussion of sexual orientation which has not come to discussions of morality, then religion, then flaming of a religious nature. It is not a discussion that can stay within the bounds. It ALWAYS turns into a flaming hurtful debate.

mercedesjin 08-13-2009 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 760254)
If there are flames and insults being hurled based on someone`s gender, it is sexism. If it is an honest cultural difference, the person making the problematic remarks should be able to comprehend that they are offensive to some and avoid talking that way. (They will be pmed about the content.)



Because religious discussion is against the rules. There has NEVER been a discussion of sexual orientation which has not come to discussions of morality, then religion, then flaming of a religious nature. It is not a discussion that can stay within the bounds. It ALWAYS turns into a flaming hurtful debate.
Okay, that's fair. Thanks.

DSX 08-13-2009 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mercedesjin (Post 760250)
I was looking at the rules in the General Discussion, and I see that it says "no sexism." Ideas of what's sexist differ in culture to culture. For example, some might not think it's sexist to say, "women belong in the kitchen," while to others that's extremely offensive. Since this is an international forum, I think it's important to define what sexism is in the rules.

Also, a question if anyone's willing to answer - why is it against the rules to discuss sexual orientation?
Like everything in life (or just about everything), sexism has no true definition, because it can mean whatever you want it to mean. It's impossible to come up with a true definition.

The closest you can get to it is a definition that others will take as true, but there will still be people who disagree with your definition, and believe their own to be true.

Or, it could mean something else in a different language. I'm pretty sure that there's a number of words we use that have a different meaning in another language.

mercedesjin 08-13-2009 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DSX (Post 760259)
Like everything in life (or just about everything), sexism has no true definition, because it can mean whatever you want it to mean. It's impossible to come up with a true definition.

The closest you can get to it is a definition that others will take as true, but there will still be people who disagree with your definition, and believe their own to be true.

Or, it could mean something else in a different language. I'm pretty sure that there's a number of words we use that have a different meaning in another language.
That's definitely true, but even so, it can't be left up in the air for everyone to have their own personal definitions. There needs to be some kind of guideline - written and seen. People can and will disagree, and from there the guideline can change based on others' opinions, but there still needs to be something.

DSX 08-13-2009 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mercedesjin (Post 760278)
That's definitely true, but even so, it can't be left up in the air for everyone to have their own personal definitions. There needs to be some kind of guideline - written and seen. People can and will disagree, and from there the guideline can change based on others' opinions, but there still needs to be something.
And I agree with that. Someone can create a word, but it'll still lose meaning eventually. It pretty much goes in a circle.

Quailboy 08-14-2009 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mercedesjin (Post 760250)
I was looking at the rules in the General Discussion, and I see that it says "no sexism." Ideas of what's sexist differ in culture to culture. For example, some might not think it's sexist to say, "women belong in the kitchen," while to others that's extremely offensive. Since this is an international forum, I think it's important to define what sexism is in the rules.

Also, a question if anyone's willing to answer - why is it against the rules to discuss sexual orientation?
Jesus...bring me a sammich women

Miyavifan 08-14-2009 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Quailboy (Post 760661)
Jesus...bring me a sammich women
and that there is a good example/answer.

iPhantom 08-14-2009 01:38 AM
How about defining the following words?

flaming
racism
sexism
offending others

Heck someone might take 'offending' as 'complimenting' based on their culture, right, RIGHT?

Quailboy 08-14-2009 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 760718)
How about defining the following words?

flaming
racism
sexism
offending others

Heck someone might take 'offending' as 'complimenting' based on their culture, right, RIGHT?
Right

I take being called an asshole or a dick as a compliment depending on who is saying it..no joke ^_^

darksyndrem 08-14-2009 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Quailboy (Post 760746)
Right

I take being called an asshole or a dick as a compliment depending on who is saying it..no joke ^_^
True, me and you do that to each other all the time!! w00tz!!!
+1 for jokes

Quailboy 08-14-2009 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 760753)
True, me and you do that to each other all the time!! w00tz!!!
+1 for jokes
Its more like +1 for non-seriousness for most places on the internet >_<

Seanus 08-15-2009 01:41 PM
Sexism would involve the singling out of one gender at the expense of the other. Sexism really has no place in modern times. We can make of ourselves what we wish within certain confines.

Sexism is where blanket statements are made, e.g all women should be in the kitchen. Such nonsense should be stamped out where found.

mercedesjin 08-15-2009 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Seanus (Post 761379)
Sexism would involve the singling out of one gender at the expense of the other. Sexism really has no place in modern times. We can make of ourselves what we wish within certain confines.

Sexism is where blanket statements are made, e.g all women should be in the kitchen. Such nonsense should be stamped out where found.
See, that's what I thought also. But it seems that there are people - not only on JapanForum - but people in real life who actually live by this philosophy. This is a way of life for a lot of people. To us, it's a sexist lifestyle. To others, it's just the way things are. It's kind of mind boggling to me.

dirtyroboto 08-15-2009 02:16 PM
OMG! Mercedesjin, you are not only insecure about your race but now I see you have the same mentality about your sex.

Sexism.
F.
Whores not allowed.
M.
Jaffa's not allowed.

bELyVIS 08-15-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtyroboto (Post 761394)
OMG! Mercedesjin, you are not only insecure about your race but now I see you have the same mentality about your sex.
You are very smart Dirtyroboto. I've addressed this on her other threads and ended up being accused of being sexist and racist.
Mercedesjin, why don't you stick to Japanese discussions? And no, don't start a Japanese sexism thread.

Seanus 08-15-2009 02:31 PM
Mercedesjin, you are right but remember, we can change the way things are. Look at how things have been changed, e.g Communism fell here in Poland, women got the right to vote in the face of mass chauvinism and a black man got to be President of the USA.

I have heard fewer and fewer men say that a woman's place is in the home. Women have become more upwardly mobile and career-oriented. The man is to help in most ways that he can. If men say it, they often say it jokingly in amongst other men but not to their significant other.

dirtyroboto 08-15-2009 03:08 PM
(me being sexist)

A woman is just a man without a c0ck!

Seanus 08-15-2009 03:10 PM
Not everyone has man boobs, you know? Forgot about those? ;) ;)


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