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Originally Posted by Sangetsu
Really? Take a walk through Mogadishu, Somalia, or Port au Prince, Haiti, (I have been to both places). And then, after visiting these places, tell me if you still carry the same opinion. Tell me that the culture of these places is equal to the culture you enjoy in New Zealand.
I have met many spoiled ideological young people who grow up in pampered western societies, and are educated in the "Never-never land" of university who develop fantastic opinions of the world without ever having seen it. The better of these people do the noble thing and join the Peace Corps, or go to work for Doctors Without Borders to spend a year or two pitting their money where their mouths are. Most of them return with a much different opinion than that which they set out with.
Words are nothing but empty air, and ideals are nothing but empty thoughts when compared to the physical reality of the world we live in. Human beings are animals; territorial and competitive. A better culture suppresses it's animal instincts, and promotes a safer society in which all may enjoy an equal chance of success. The developed societies of the world all share a similar culture, and this culture has made them more or less safe and prosperous. The rest of the world where the "law of the jungle" is stronger are less safe and prosperous, made up of a few "haves", and many "have nots".
The cultures of the developed nations are fairly new, and they are more fragile than you might think. Look at the inner-cities, barrios, and "ghettos" of America and Europe. Take a walk through them (if you dare), they are often a mirror image in culture and appearance of the lands where their inhabitants originated.
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Now you're blaming immigrants for all the dangerous areas worldwide.
Just who do you think you are?
You apparently don't know too much about politics and sociology but you're way too arrogant to accept your point of view is just blurred by ignorant prejudgments.
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I think, even without naming any cultures
this paragraph is just simply racist. You compare actual human beings to animals.
Again, just who do you think you are?!!!
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Ronin4shire maybe a spoiled kid but it doesn't necessarily mean he knows less about these things than you do.
I mean your European examples are way too superficials.
Did you know for example that Sarkozy is a first generation French, a son of a Hungarian emigrant Sárközy Pál? Who'd hardly doom immigration, as I see. And in this context(about all the immigrants) that quote from him was just ridiculous.
What the European leaders have stated wasn't really about immigration, not by words nor by means. If it was, than Sarkozy would have been in real trouble afterwards...
It's maybe right to say: when Germany, France, England etc. let(in some cases invited) a mass amount of people to Europe, from countries which cultures were basically unknown here, and than let them live(sometimes make them live) separately with their families and friends from their previous homes - than they made a mistake.
But it's not always that black and white like you painted it was.
Statistics have no eye no hart and no brain - there are rarely surveys about multiple aspects of peoples, basically because it'd be more than difficult to judge things like that and eventually it would give the result: every people is unique.
So you have the results which you provided: immigrants=criminals, because they came from poor countries where the government is corrupt and everybody is so violent - it's just not true. How the new society treats them, what kind of education they can get, which positions can they fill in, how are their children treated from the very early ages, do they have equal rights? can they feel protected and accepted in their new land? do they have difficulties with the language? and so on... These are rarely the best set things in any society. And sometimes governments become so desperate to solve something they just simply ignored for too long, they even risk their own people's rights, just like in Sweden or in France...(example: French headscarf ban)
There were and always will be people who prefer to live differently(for ex.: Orthodox Jewish communities), so I think we just have to accept them, they just have to accept us... and
maybe set one thing which seems to work wonders in America - you must LOVE your country, it'd unite the people's life and in such a wonderful way.
What you want is so far from freedom!!! You need to think about those who want to live differently, and don't say things like cultures aren't equal because of their virtuosity or something.
I have to tell you (without wanting to be anti-American) that Americanization is a real problem here in Europe, we face the c*up that comes from there and do not like it. I mean it's really vigorous but NOT virtuous, it squeezes the life out of our own traditions and culture - cause it's so loud and vivid.
I mean your culture have really good aspects but you shouldn't think it's all-mighty. I'm not against it, just don't bring it to the whole world saying it's all what people needed.
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And please next time you make a post about millions of peoples just think it trough first. Your posts are offending for everyone cause you don't name any actual culture or religion or race, but than if you did you'd have been warned or banned for it...