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Paul11 08-17-2008 01:06 PM

anime star wars
 
I saw trailers for the new animated Star Wars movie. I grew up with the originals and couldn't believe Lucas animated the new one. But then I thought about it. Do you believe he's just tapping into the recent popularity of anime to gain a whole new audience of fans? Maybe he'll keep the young fans, gain the anime fans and doesn't need the old generation of fans?

Animekitty 08-17-2008 01:58 PM

Lucas isn't considering anime or anime fans at all, he is just trying to regurgitate past successes by doing a feature length CG movie: it isn't even close to anime.

As I think about it, the only difference between this feature and the last three is he doesn't have any human actors in front of a green screen this time. Lucas is not capable of the depth required from most true anime anyway; sure he's great with flashy effects but he can't tell a story or develop characters worth a damn. (sorry all you hardcore Star Wars fans out there but--and I did enjoy the movies--all the Star Wars films were shallow archetypal fairy tales with limited depth and character development)

Paul11 08-18-2008 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Animekitty (Post 564120)
Lucas isn't considering anime or anime fans at all, he is just trying to regurgitate past successes by doing a feature length CG movie: it isn't even close to anime.

As I think about it, the only difference between this feature and the last three is he doesn't have any human actors in front of a green screen this time. Lucas is not capable of the depth required from most true anime anyway; sure he's great with flashy effects but he can't tell a story or develop characters worth a damn. (sorry all you hardcore Star Wars fans out there but--and I did enjoy the movies--all the Star Wars films were shallow archetypal fairy tales with limited depth and character development)

They say he hates actors. And of cours they're fairy tales. But that's why we loved them. I saw the original in the theater when I was six. At that time, there wasn't really anyone truly tapping into the archtypes of the human mind that make-up folklore for movies. folk-lore is also almost dead in the modern world. He gave us a myth that reverberated with the people who needed one.

MMM 08-18-2008 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Animekitty (Post 564120)
Lucas isn't considering anime or anime fans at all, he is just trying to regurgitate past successes by doing a feature length CG movie: it isn't even close to anime.

Lucas cannot make an anime movie as he isn't making his movies in Japan using Japanese artists.

Paul11 08-18-2008 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 564465)
Lucas cannot make an anime movie as he isn't making his movies in Japan using Japanese artists.

So, anime is something that comes only from Japan? Other places animated movie are not considered anime? (no sarcasm intended.)

imiss 08-18-2008 03:11 AM

I for one didn't like it... The animation was mediocre at best, and the story was rather... lacking...

Meh....

MMM 08-18-2008 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul11 (Post 564470)
So, anime is something that comes only from Japan? Other places animated movie are not considered anime? (no sarcasm intended.)

Correct. I would not call The Clones Wars anime.

Ronin4hire 08-18-2008 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 564495)
Correct. I would not call The Clones Wars anime.

I wouldn't call the Clone Wars anime either. However I disagree with your definition. In my opinion, the term anime denotes a style rather than the Japanese origin. For example I'd term "Avatar: The Legend of Aang" as anime as well as "Skyland" even though one's American and the other French (I think)

Edit- Just checked on Wiki.... Skyland is French

MMM 08-18-2008 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 564497)
I wouldn't call the Clone Wars anime either. However I disagree with your definition. In my opinion, the term anime denotes a style rather than the Japanese origin. For example I'd term "Avatar: The Legend of Aang" as anime as well as "Skyland" even though one's American and the other French (I think)

Edit- Just checked on Wiki.... Skyland is French

I would call Avatar "anime-influenced animation". Anime is cartoons from Japan.

Anime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ronin4hire 08-18-2008 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 564505)
I would call Avatar "anime-influenced animation". Anime is cartoons from Japan.

Anime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see... your definition seems to be the one most accepted. I'm not sure why it matters that the animators and writers are from Japan though. Surely style is more important when defining genres no?

In fact the Japanese themselves don't make the distinction according to your Wiki source.

MMM 08-18-2008 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 564508)
I see... your definition seems to be the one most accepted. I'm not sure why it matters that the animators and writers are from Japan though. Surely style is more important when defining genres no?

But there is no singular "anime style". There are as many styles as there are animators. Akira is very different from Princess Mononoke is very different from Paprika is very different from Sailor Moon.

I can be really influenced by Godard or Besson or Truffaut, but that doesn't mean if I make a movie it is French cinema.

Ronin4hire 08-18-2008 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 564509)
But there is no singular "anime style". There are as many styles as there are animators. Akira is very different from Princess Mononoke is very different from Paprika is very different from Sailor Moon.

Hmmm... when you put it that way I can see your point. I would say that Anime does have a style which is unique but that is based on an unfounded opinion which I can only loosely explain.

MMM 08-18-2008 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 564511)
Hmmm... when you put it that way I can see your point. I would say that Anime does have a style which is unique but that is based on an unfounded opinion which I can only loosely explain.

Anime does have some certain patterns which distinguish it from other animation, just as American movies or French cinema have certain things that aren't necessarily universal, but are identifiable.

SolidRaven 08-18-2008 05:31 AM

The clone Wars movie was just a huge saturday morning cartoon serial that star wars was really based from, a saturday morning cartoon series. the whole concept of star wars was a space opera how flash gordon was.

MMM 08-18-2008 06:42 AM

I did go see it this weekend, and although it was clearly directed toward younger viewers, it had some pretty cool battles and a visual style that is probably love-it or hate-it. One of the main characters, a Padawan named Ahsoka has a lot more 'tude than we are accustomed to seeing in Padawans, but she fits that "from the mouths of babes" innocence which sometimes makes the Jedi look a little stodgy, which I think is the point.

The most painful character was Jabba the Hutt's uncle Ziro, who speaks English (or Basic) in a fey southern accent, which is pretty obnoxious. I did like the original battle scenes, and like all good Star Wars we had light-saber battles, space battles, and on-the-ground army battles.

Gofalk 08-19-2008 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul11 (Post 564105)
I saw trailers for the new animated Star Wars movie. I grew up with the originals and couldn't believe Lucas animated the new one. But then I thought about it. Do you believe he's just tapping into the recent popularity of anime to gain a whole new audience of fans? Maybe he'll keep the young fans, gain the anime fans and doesn't need the old generation of fans?


well I kinda wish they just shot it live action instead of 3d.... it would have more interesting in my opinion

Paul11 08-19-2008 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gofalk (Post 565242)
well I kinda wish they just shot it live action instead of 3d.... it would have more interesting in my opinion

It's in 3D? Do you mean graphics or where you put on your blue and red glasses?

MMM 08-19-2008 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gofalk (Post 565242)
well I kinda wish they just shot it live action instead of 3d.... it would have more interesting in my opinion

It's not 3D, it's CG, and it precludes a CD animated series that will come out.

The story isn't enough to rationalize a live action movie.

Firu 08-19-2008 08:50 AM

i for one quite enjoyed it,it's definately NOT anime and i guess not the greatest movie ever made but it was a good bit of fun which is what it was actually intended to be.and i thought the animaton was pretty decent,especially some of the outer space battle scenes
they did however annoy me by leaving out one thing,the scrolling intro! surely every star wars movie should have that,even if it is more of a spin-off!

MMM 08-19-2008 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Firu (Post 565258)
i for one quite enjoyed it,it's definately NOT anime and i guess not the greatest movie ever made but it was a good bit of fun which is what it was actually intended to be.and i thought the animaton was pretty decent,especially some of the outer space battle scenes
they did however annoy me by leaving out one thing,the scrolling intro! surely every star wars movie should have that,even if it is more of a spin-off!

I agree. I was expecting the scrolling intro...especially thinking this might be the last Star Wars movie I see in the theater, but that may not be the case...

Paul11 08-19-2008 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 565261)
I agree. I was expecting the scrolling intro...especially thinking this might be the last Star Wars movie I see in the theater, but that may not be the case...

That's like a James Bond movie without the gun-barrel eye thing at the beginning!


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