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ivi0nk3y 06-10-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 510714)
Here's his opinion on Islam: "Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."

Well its shit like that which breeds ignorant scum.

koaku 06-10-2008 06:07 PM

"Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."


Dummmb..

ivi0nk3y 06-10-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by koaku (Post 510731)
"Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."


Dummmb..

Its funny to see these pastors get owned in debates with Islamic scholars too :rolleyes: You'll never see that publicised though.
Its also great how people can use something to their advantage to ride the waves to success :o

koaku 06-10-2008 06:17 PM

Yeah totaly!....A Pastor...damn..his ignorance makes me sad for him.That what I was talking few days ago with some friends..lol

Imagine that:

You reverse all (Islam and Christianity) 98% of the U.S. population is Islamic, Iran and Iraq are Christians .. I don't know why but its funny..

DesiredMess 06-10-2008 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gackt21 (Post 510686)
Obamanation: Let me see what do I think of Obama. Excuse me if I don't care for him but I don't to me he is too radical. Is anyone bothered by the point that his Pastor is racist towards white people.
Quote from Pastor Right: "No not God Bless America, GD America."
How do you feel when someone says that. Oh and national health care is nothing good. You see how gas prices keep going up that is because the Democrats as soon as they got in office prices went up. They are keeping us from drilling in Canada when China is drilling in Flordia. I listen to the Mark Levin Show and I listen to Rush. Obama makes me sick to my stomach with his communist ideas for how the country should be runned.

McLame: Has some conservative ideas but I don't think he will follow through on his plans. The country will be worse off with both and I am not interest in seeing my country be destroyed because we can't all have nice homes and health care we can't afford. American's have become lazy and unwilling to make the money for things they want. I would vote only for McCain because at least he has some of what I am looking for in a President. This man has the paper to say he is better for the job. Who wants the poster boy, Obama to take up something when he has never held office as a Major?!


I kind of agree with what you said about Obama. As for McCain, not really. We're in way too deep as it is. I think it can't get too much worse.


Obama was in that church for years hearing the pastors racial remarks. I think the only reason why he left is because he didn't like the bad publicity (although the guys not preaching anymore from what I hear). But you can't go to a church that long without agreeing with your pastor. That's just ignorance.

noodle 06-10-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by koaku (Post 510731)
"Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."


Dummmb..

Don't be so shocked... a lot of people seem to believe this statement, One of them being TENCHU.........

Paul11 06-10-2008 11:36 PM

The reason some people see muslims as violent and harbor a murderous hatred of America is because so many of them from all over the world say so. Dancing in the streets and telling us they want to kill all jews and americans.

Very few muslim leaders stand-up and express a more reasonable view. People understand not all muslims feel that way, but it's what we keep seeing and hearing. It's nothing new. For the last thirty years I see it over and over again. Some people find thaqt a bit disturbing.

MMM 06-10-2008 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul11 (Post 511078)
The reason some people see muslims as violent and harbor a murderous hatred of America is because so many of them from all over the world say so. Dancing in the streets and telling us they want to kill all jews and americans.

Very few muslim leaders stand-up and express a more reasonable view. People understand not all muslims feel that way, but it's what we keep seeing and hearing. It's nothing new. For the last thirty years I see it over and over again. Some people find thaqt a bit disturbing.

Hoo boy...I'll let the experts respond to this one.

ivi0nk3y 06-11-2008 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul11 (Post 511078)
The reason some people see muslims as violent and harbor a murderous hatred of America is because so many of them from all over the world say so. Dancing in the streets and telling us they want to kill all jews and americans.

Very few muslim leaders stand-up and express a more reasonable view. People understand not all muslims feel that way, but it's what we keep seeing and hearing. It's nothing new. For the last thirty years I see it over and over again. Some people find thaqt a bit disturbing.

Do I have to remind you that all you see that stuff on is through the media?
Who do you think controls the media? Who do you think is fighting the war against what you see on the media?
So in essence, what types of things would you expect to see through the media?
No, the media is not as free and as unbiased as they'd like you to believe.
As for people showing their hatred of America, i'm sure its quite easy to do that when you've been wronged by anyone. I mean all I have to do is plant a mine outside your house and wait for it to kill a family member and i'm sure you'll be cursing whoever I might be associated with, dancing around in the street with the nearest weapon you can find.
So yes, for the last thirty years, (if not more) you've seen it over and over again because of the simple fact that those people have been wronged by the American Government, over and over again. The media will snatch up those pictures rather than show an intellectual conversation because they want the mass public, like yourself, to believe that your "enemy" is stupid.
Also, those "Muslim Leaders" aren't really anything but Muslims by name. They are what I would call puppets.
There is not a single country that is a practicing Islamic state, in the world at the moment.
At the end of the day, it is your choice on what garbage to sift through and take as the truth.
That is also why it is important for the America Voter to make the right and responsible choice, not just for America but for the rest of the world.

fluffy0000 06-11-2008 02:47 AM

Obama and Pastors, Rev.
 
The question is not Obama or his distancing himself from Rev. Wright but the similairity in the message of Rev. Wright and Rev. Martin Luther Kings' message. Both opposed unpopular wars in their time and delivered similiar themes about race and religion. It is the intervening decades between these 2religious leaders that has transformed Rev. Martin Luther King and his message into something entirely alien from it's original content? Islam is not the no.1 growing religion on the planet its the Baptist religion according U.N. 07' fig. If Martin Luther King was around today in 08'
would the criteria that ruled out the Rev. Wright by Obama be different for Rev King ?


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