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Yeah I'm not too nuts about being 17 myself either. The day of the election is the day after my birthday.
I'm gonna be honest I want a president that will pull us out of this economic low. Pull a bunch of my friends out of this senseless war. Nationalize health care, among other things. I don't want to spend the first part of my adult life in an economic depression! I already had a hard time finding a job, and it dosen't pay very well to boot. I want to have my own buissness one day, but I don't want to do it in a time where my countrys economy is failing. I want your honest opinon, who can do these things? |
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But if you are asking me with those desires who I would choose? I think you know the answer. McCain himself has said the economy is not his strong suit. Of course, Obama is newer, but looking at both thier economic ideas, I like Obama's plan better. Neither McCain or Obama will "nationalize" heath care, but I think Obama's ideas are more realistic and affordable. In terms of getting our friends home from Iraq, I am sure you know that is much higher on Obama's list than McCain's. Are you sure you can't register to vote? If the election is the day AFTER your birthday, you should still be able to register for the election in November. What state are you in? |
I live in Texas, you have to be registered 6 months before you can vote.
I know alot of what I said can't be done by one person. But c'mon the Executive Office is only 1/3 of our goverment. Why aren't these issues being adressed by the Goverment as a whole instead of being put on the shoulders of the President? Maby I worded that wrong...why aren't these issues being solved? I'm sure there being adressed but obviously theres a wrench in the system. I don't claim to know what that is but it seems like theres something wrong. I'm not trying to bash the U.S. Goverment, but isn't their job to ensure the saftey, well being, and prosperity of this country? If it is, in my opinion the job isn't being done correctly. I'm a lower-middle class citizen, I don't expect to be some pampered prince. I just want to think that if I work hard, I can expect to be rewarded. And with things looking the way they are looking, it get's harder to think that every day. |
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I agree with you 100%. Now that we have a Democratic Congress and a Republican Presisdent, a lot of movement just stops. Bush has been vetoing bills like crazy since losing the Republican majority, but it takes 2/3 of a vote to override a presidential veto. That only just happened (an override) for the first time recently. So I don't blame EVERYTHING on the president, I am very disappointed in the lack of cajones in the Congress, as well. But we are at the end of of one of the worst 2 term presidencies in the history of America. The setbacks made not only in the economy and the national debt, but in personal freedoms, environmental responsibility, the strength of the dollar, and the all-important general reputation of the US in the world have all gone down the poop-chute. I beleive it is time for a major change. Nothing to do with race or age, but I think we should give Obama a go at it. He can't do any more damage than Bush, and already McCain is promising to keep a lot of Bush's policys and programs going. These last few years have been hard on our family. McCain's words promise nothing better. Obama's do. Is it a gamble? Sure. But why would I vote for the guy that's going to keep me struggling vs. the guy who is going to at least try and give me a chance? |
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As the country evolved, the rules were changed, and pretty much all adults were given the right to vote. Both political parties were champions in their way of giving this right to all people, but I hate it when I see that parties are still able to finagle around the wishes of the people for what they think is the "greater good". If that were, and is still the case, what was the point in giving all people the right to vote? I don't oppose the Electoral College system used to elect the president. Though people may not know it, it is the states who elect the president, and not the people. One might argue that the super delegate system and the Electoral college system are principally the same, but they are not, the Electoral College is a blanket system to which all parties must adhere. I keep hearing about how "historical" this election is. It is not "historical", it is "hysterical". Hillary is more of a man than her husband ever was, and it's interesting how a half-black man becomes fully African American when he's running for political office. What you see as "historical" is nothing of the sort, it's the same cereal made by the same machine, but served in a different box. This election should be the most important in history; we've rarely needed good leadership as much as we need it now. But once again we are forced to choose between puppets instead of men. |
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THANK YOU! People always think I'm crazy or something when I say, "But Obama isn't black." I have no problem with him wanting to identify himself with being African American. But in my eyes he will always be bi-racial. It's still a huge step forward, but the whole race hysteria is bugging me more and more every day. I'm getting sick of people telling me I only want to vote for him because he's black (I'm black). It's usually then I choose to mention that he is in fact not black, but bi-racial. I get some half assed reply and then just stop listening actually. :rolleyes: But yes, I support him because I'm willing to take a chance. As far as Hillary, I was never able to trust the words coming out of her mouth and that was/is one of my biggest problems with Bush. I would never vote for McCain because I disagree with his views on pretty much everything. And I know Obama doesn't have the 'experience' that most people think he should have. But look at the people running our govt. now. As far as their 'experience' goes it's not helping us too much in the long run. I'm not saying it doesn't matter at all, but at this point our country needs something totally different. I'm still not 100% sure that Obama is that something, but I'm more than willing to make a gamble. |
Obama is Black...he's a Black American..what's the matter with that? You gonna tell me that he's Brown?lol My dad is Martinican and my mum is 50% Philippine 50% Senegal...So What am I???? Im sorry but Im black..Im not white,Im not brown..Im not green....lool
Be black and speak about the origin are not the same thing..Obama dad is from Kenya THAT ALL...this guy is American or Not??? For me he's just a Black American .There no way to speak about where he's from and why he's here lol |
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I know plenty of people who have family lineage from just about every damn country in Europe. lol. So yes, I sort of understand what you mean. Still, I don't understand why people get so touchy about that. I have at least 3 Native American tribes somewhere in my family history. But we have no written evidence of that, only family accounts and some old photos. We have a very small amount of Native American blood in us so therefore, I consider myself black.:p But that's not the real point I was trying to make. Like I said before, It's not a BAD thing. And it's fine if you or anyone else wants to identify with just one race. But the real problem is is that he's being hyped up as this 'Black guy' when that should NOT be the reason that people are voting for him. It's just irritating to have seemingly everything in this election be linked to gender and race. :rolleyes: |
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I'm mixed up myself, most of my blood is Indian (Native-American to those fond of hyphenated "titles"), but I see my identity as American, and nothing else. |
Sangetsu, I hoep I don't distort your meaning, by pulling what points I think should be highlighted.
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This election is historical in some ways. Obama is bi-racial, but when I was still in public school, even 1/10 black would have prevented him from voting in Mississippi, much less ever running for a national office. To see even one white face in that state support someone even resembling a black for president is an historical milestone. And the same goes for Hillary, those in less severe terms. Women 40 years ago would never have gotten even one delegate, except in the ultra liberal districts that elected Bella Abzug and Diane Feinstein. Women were still to be seen and not heard, especially in political arenas. Even as late as 20 years ago when I was a Gore delegate, I can assure you that the "good ole boys" did their best to force me to "play nice and go home and take care of my husband" instead of represent my district's voters. We finally got rid of the poll tax in the 1960's, but there are still two aspects of voting in United States elections that need to be removed. First, the "party lever". These days its a punch instead of a lever, but the effect is the same. You can vote for an entire slate of candidates without ever seeing who they are by simply marking a political party's punch. That is wrong! You should have to literally vote for every single candidate, or abstain from voting for that specific office. Second, the Electoral College. It became obsolete in the mid 1900's, but prooved it when it overturned the popular vote in 2004. When it reversed the popular votes in 1824, 1876 and 1888 it could be argued that popular vote counting was seriously flawed. But if you accept that arguement then the miscarriage of justice in 2004 is even worse, because the best documented miscount would have made the lead of the popular win even higher if corrected. Gore won the popular election by a verified 0.5 % of the votes. If that seems small, Nixon only won 0.9% and no one objected to that until it was way too late. |
I have been watching this entire campaign and I must say that I'm not impressed at all. America is screwed either way we go. I just hope that whoever wins gets A) impeached B) doesn't start a nuclear war or C) leaves as soon as his 4 years are up.
If I HAD TO pick.... it would probably be McCain. Why? I'm an Independent with a Republican twist. I personally believe that the war in the Middle East should be finished. We got ourselves and others mixed up in it, we might as well finish what we started. It may not have been the brightest idea but what's in the past is in the past. We need to be looking towards the future. I wonder what will just happen if we leave Iraq before the real problems are solved.... a scary future that not many of us want to think about. Yes, peace is a necessity and something we have gone without for a long time. But can there really be peace when madness seems to be running the world? I think we could get alot farther if we finished the war. THAT is why I would vote for McCain and no other reason. |
Obamanation: Let me see what do I think of Obama. Excuse me if I don't care for him but I don't to me he is too radical. Is anyone bothered by the point that his Pastor is racist towards white people. Quote from Pastor Right: "No not God Bless America, GD America." How do you feel when someone says that. Oh and national health care is nothing good. You see how gas prices keep going up that is because the Democrats as soon as they got in office prices went up. They are keeping us from drilling in Canada when China is drilling in Flordia. I listen to the Mark Levin Show and I listen to Rush. Obama makes me sick to my stomach with his communist ideas for how the country should be runned. McLame: Has some conservative ideas but I don't think he will follow through on his plans. The country will be worse off with both and I am not interest in seeing my country be destroyed because we can't all have nice homes and health care we can't afford. American's have become lazy and unwilling to make the money for things they want. I would vote only for McCain because at least he has some of what I am looking for in a President. This man has the paper to say he is better for the job. Who wants the poster boy, Obama to take up something when he has never held office as a Major?! |
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White man+White woman=White baby Black man+Black woman=Black baby Black man+White woman=Black baby White man+Black woman=Black baby You don't get half as discriminated against because you are only half black. There are no half minorities. You guys can make up all the mixed metaphors you want about how insignificant this election is, but it's only insignifigant if the candidate you like already lost. To follow your pattern, just because your driver crashed in the 3rd lap doesn't mean that it still isn't the Indy 500. So who would you have voted for that isn't a "puppet"? |
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I love you guys that want to see the war in Iraq finished, so are voting for McCain. It's like saying "I love dogs, so I'd vote for Michael Vick." You have a house full of cats. They fight, they'll always fight, because their cats. Now let's say you decide you want the cats to stop fighting. Do you throw a dog into the house? That's what we are doing in Iraq. How do you make peace by driving around in tanks? Patroling with heavy artillary? Take the dog out and the cats will calm down. We are paying out of my pockets and your pockets to operate Iraq. But Iraq isn't a poor nation. They have oil, right? So what is happening to all that oil money? It's going straight into the Iraqi governemnt coffers. How many more months or years can we keep this up? Companies like Hallinburton hope forever. Let's get someone new in there that isn't interested in keeping Halliburton in billion dollar contracts. |
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But if that's the game you want to play, look at some of the filth John Hagee, John McCain's pastor said (an endorsement he accepted). He had blamed Hurricane Katrina on gays: "All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it would was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other gay pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing." Here's his opinion on Islam: "Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews." He called the Catholic church "The Great Whore". If we are going to judge these men by their pastors' words they coming in about even. Quote:
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"Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."
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Yeah totaly!....A Pastor...damn..his ignorance makes me sad for him.That what I was talking few days ago with some friends..lol
Imagine that: You reverse all (Islam and Christianity) 98% of the U.S. population is Islamic, Iran and Iraq are Christians .. I don't know why but its funny.. |
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I kind of agree with what you said about Obama. As for McCain, not really. We're in way too deep as it is. I think it can't get too much worse. Obama was in that church for years hearing the pastors racial remarks. I think the only reason why he left is because he didn't like the bad publicity (although the guys not preaching anymore from what I hear). But you can't go to a church that long without agreeing with your pastor. That's just ignorance. |
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The reason some people see muslims as violent and harbor a murderous hatred of America is because so many of them from all over the world say so. Dancing in the streets and telling us they want to kill all jews and americans.
Very few muslim leaders stand-up and express a more reasonable view. People understand not all muslims feel that way, but it's what we keep seeing and hearing. It's nothing new. For the last thirty years I see it over and over again. Some people find thaqt a bit disturbing. |
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Who do you think controls the media? Who do you think is fighting the war against what you see on the media? So in essence, what types of things would you expect to see through the media? No, the media is not as free and as unbiased as they'd like you to believe. As for people showing their hatred of America, i'm sure its quite easy to do that when you've been wronged by anyone. I mean all I have to do is plant a mine outside your house and wait for it to kill a family member and i'm sure you'll be cursing whoever I might be associated with, dancing around in the street with the nearest weapon you can find. So yes, for the last thirty years, (if not more) you've seen it over and over again because of the simple fact that those people have been wronged by the American Government, over and over again. The media will snatch up those pictures rather than show an intellectual conversation because they want the mass public, like yourself, to believe that your "enemy" is stupid. Also, those "Muslim Leaders" aren't really anything but Muslims by name. They are what I would call puppets. There is not a single country that is a practicing Islamic state, in the world at the moment. At the end of the day, it is your choice on what garbage to sift through and take as the truth. That is also why it is important for the America Voter to make the right and responsible choice, not just for America but for the rest of the world. |
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The question is not Obama or his distancing himself from Rev. Wright but the similairity in the message of Rev. Wright and Rev. Martin Luther Kings' message. Both opposed unpopular wars in their time and delivered similiar themes about race and religion. It is the intervening decades between these 2religious leaders that has transformed Rev. Martin Luther King and his message into something entirely alien from it's original content? Islam is not the no.1 growing religion on the planet its the Baptist religion according U.N. 07' fig. If Martin Luther King was around today in 08'
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Rev. Wright and King different not?
Both Rev. Wright and Kings fathers were Baptist ministers both the Rev. Wright and King were or are Baptist ministers . Rev. Wright holds a Doctor of Ministry degree (1990) from the United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio, where he studied under Samuel DeWitt Proctor, a mentor to Martin Luther King, Jr. I could continue with this if you doubt the differences you think are not in fact similarities?
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Ivan said: Do I have to remind you that all you see that stuff on is through the media? Who do you think controls the media? Who do you think is fighting the war against what you see on the media? So in essence, what types of things would you expect to see through the media? No, the media is not as free and as unbiased as they'd like you to believe. As for people showing their hatred of America, i'm sure its quite easy to do that when you've been wronged by anyone. I mean all I have to do is plant a mine outside your house and wait for it to kill a family member and i'm sure you'll be cursing whoever I might be associated with, dancing around in the street with the nearest weapon you can find. So yes, for the last thirty years, (if not more) you've seen it over and over again because of the simple fact that those people have been wronged by the American Government, over and over again. The media will snatch up those pictures rather than show an intellectual conversation because they want the mass public, like yourself, to believe that your "enemy" is stupid. Also, those "Muslim Leaders" aren't really anything but Muslims by name. They are what I would call puppets. There is not a single country that is a practicing Islamic state, in the world at the moment. At the end of the day, it is your choice on what garbage to sift through and take as the truth. That is also why it is important for the America Voter to make the right and responsible choice, not just for America but for the rest of the world. You don't have to remind me of anything. That's what people see and some people take it to heart. I didn't make any statements about the validity of those ideas. Re-read the post. And you don't have to be part of the "blame America first" crowd. It's ok to explore ideas. |
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The electoral college is the last remaining remnant of the time when states had any type of political autonomy. State's rights were not supposed to be seconded to the power of the federal government, the federal government was supposed to be a partnerships of the states, and not a power unto itself. Following the argument that the presidency should be decided by popular vote means that the votes of the 5 states could outweigh the votes of the other 45. In this case, those most populous 5 states would have the greatest influence over national policy. Why would a candidate bother going to the trouble and expense of campaigning in small states if they didn't have enough votes to influence the election? These states might as well cease to exist as part of the county. The electoral college system has been challenged many times over the years, generally immediately after close elections, but thankfully the system has been able to withstand those challenges. This is the United States of American, not America. |
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The point was not a condemnation of America (if I remember correctly) but by those that use the name of God as an excuse to go to war. He said people can confuse God with government, but God doesn't take us into war, God takes us into peace. There was something like "fighting for peace is like fornicating for virginity" and God will not fail us, God damn those that take us into war and God damn those that that use his name as an excuse to kill Muslims. It's meant to provoke, and I am not an Rev. Wright excuser, but the message he was giving was more about God then it was about America, that's all. (Again, if I remember correctly...this was back in March that I watched it). And regards to Hillary winning the "popular vote". Again this is a moot argument, but the neither the democratic or republican nominees are chosen by the popular vote. That being said, you can only saw she won the popular vote IF you count Michigan and Florida, and Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, and ignore all the caucus states, which I believe Obama won all of. But it isn't as if she is saying the election was stolen from her. She conceded she lost, and it's over. Quote:
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I was really hoping Hilary would stay in it but I don't really like any of the people running, there was to much personal wars going on and not enough info on what they planned to do whats right and so on.
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For the other stuff, I have never heard anyone invoke god to justify this war. Maybe some extremist has, but come on. That type of statement shows your extremism in defining the right as so. |
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