I am not endorsing what he said in any way, and I agree with you.

Sorry, I misread your post. Accept my apology as I heap dirt upon my head.
Now settle down everyone, Loveline with Dr. Drew is on the radio!

I would not Vote for any on them. I would like to see woman get in to office as long it it was not Hillary Clinton!

Who cares if it's a man or a woman. There have been weak male leaders (Jimm Carter) and strong women (Golda Meier, Thatcher). I just want a decent leader with a huge IQ.

Voting FOR someone because of race or gender is just as silly as voting AGAISNT someone for it.

Unfortunately, you're right and that's how a lot of people see it. But, if you were to see a vegetarian eat meat, would you still call him a vegetarian? That's how I see all these so called "muslims". They say they are muslim, but don't follow their religion. That's a joke. What's sad, is that people judge a religion by these people, and don't go and find out the truth. Islam is a peaceful religion, but I'm pretty sure, most people don't that. From a young age, they're taught about all the religious wars, and now in todays world, there's another "religious" war. So in turn, you get more and more atheists and more and more discrimination towards religions.

Personally, I think we often associated violence and Islam and that wht shocks me!.. We totaly forget that Christianity was a very very violent religion a long time ago....

Lol what "blame america first" crowd? You can only blame whoever is worthy of blame but i'm just replying to your post to outline where such problems stem from. The American governments interests have always been against those of the Middle East, mainly because a religion like Islam is a threat. At the same time it holds an uneasy truce with most of the Middle East because of Oil.
America has always incited some sort of spark either by dividing up a certain area by war or just outright funding Israel to arm itself lol. This usually happens when Republicans are in power :rolleyes:
Do you disagree that such policies by whoever has been elected, are what have caused violence towards America?
I mean to me, whoever will be elected will just be a puppet at the end of the day, of whoever you believe pulls the strings. In that respect, you need someone who can at least calm down the heat against America, rather than incite it even more.

I agree with most of what you said BUT when you say The American governments interests have always been against those of the Middle East, mainly because a religion like Islam is a threat. At the same time it holds an uneasy truce with most of the Middle East because of Oil.

But for me..these people inside the american governments want only money...they really really dont care about religion,there so much money to earn (billions !$$), that religion is no more important.I dont think we talked a lot of ecology during the 70s-80s-90s (period use for financing and arming these countries in the Middle East which has oil)

War (and hidden the religion) are just excuses to go to these countries ...Example: Why so many countries was with U.S during the 1st Iraq War and None during the 2nd???? for me = Petrol+Money.. We only had btw 20 and 25 yrs of Petrol in Middle East..time to make money..

Obama would make the better president. We need to get out of Iraq. It is that simple. McCain wants to keep us there.

Moreover, McCain is an old man. He is too set in his ways to bring about needed change. Obama might not have what it takes but he will at least try.

Has this guy ever heard of the Crusades? Taking back the holy land from the infidels, all that jazz. I think that's invoking God to justify a war. Don't you think?

THIS war. He was talking about the US occupation of Iraq.

Oh, I know that. It seemed as if the guy had NEVER heard of an instance where that happend.

I stopped approving of the war the minuete they said they where staying in after the fall of Saddam Hussain ( I know I spelled that wrong). But I kept my mouth shut until they said that they where staying after the establishment of Democracy. Now I'm just out and out against it. My Mom says is just my generations turn to experence what it was like during the Vietnam War.

That exactly what Im tryin' to say from the beginning when we talk about Islam and War....

That basically sums up my views on it too. But some cowboys has to continue their ego trip.

Not to insult your parent, but it sound like Mom doesn't believe in learning from mistakes. Her comparison is correct, but there is no justification for the U.S. to keep re-expexperiencing the same stupidity and interference in other countries.

We assassinated Diem and Hussein (I won't fault the logic in deposing them), and then we supported a Democratic take over in both countries. But then we stayed beyond the original mission and screwed up royally - in both countries.

Obama is not like Hitler
 

only if you are 'sniffing glue' do you come close to this comparision?

With all due respect, you screwed up royally by getting rid of the existing power base in Iraq and even thinking about invading. I'm sure before Iraq was invaded, they knew what the outcomes would be, especially based on past mistakes and experience.
No, Iraq was invaded primarily because it was in the interest of companies such as Halliburton and its ties with the American Government.
I'm sure you know how my example is just the tip of the iceberg.

I second that!!!!!

A Question...Where do you live???

Iraqs power base?
 

Iraq's power base was not very deep or wide Saddam Hussien was a Sunni and a minority in shiite majority Iraq? The invasion by the US of Iraq 03' Operation Iraqi Freedom has done what the NeoCons set out to do. Price of petrol at the pump in 08' is over US 4$ gal.-the price of barrel of crude is over US $130. The oil companys are rolling in dosh. The US causality rate for May 08' are as low as May 03' figures. When Bush declared mission success you only have too look at the price of gas too confirm this. high price of gas equals more profits for 'Big Oil'.

What I mean by power base is that Saddam Hussein was keeping his country from falling apart like it is now. Whether he was Shiite or Sunni is irrelevant.
As for the Oil agenda, I can't disagree with you on that.

Oh I cannot disagree with this at all. I've been familiar with Halliburton since before anyone outside of Texas ever heard of the "shrub" and the former CEO of Halliburton that is now in Washington.

I was referring to deposing those leaders as the justification, not necessarily the real reason behind the plan. And yes, both were left without any real powerbase to step into place, so the ones with the most ammo are the ones really in charge.

Shiia and Sunni relevant
 

Iran and Iraq war circa 1980-88 This War started Saddam Hussien downfall and influenced the decision to invade Kuwait. Refer to economic ruin of Iraq after 8yrs of war with Iran and price of Oil during early 1990s' that and Kuwaiti 'Horizontal drilling' into Iraq oil reserves fueled first Gulf War. Fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long suppressed Shia majority influenced by Iran's Islamic revolution led too 8yrs of war that left both Iranian Shia and Iraqi (Sunni) Saddam Hussien weaker and ripe for outside intervention. In Iraq 08' the Shiite insurgency is
the largest because of majority of population is Shiite-despite the depiction of the Al Qaeda
(Sunni) insurgency in Iraq is according too NIE 08' National Intelligence Estimate 19 US intelligence agencies inclding.-CIA and NSA etc. evidence states- makes up no more than 2-3%of insurgency against the US occupation forces.

It was in this war that he was supported by the U.S.A. If you mean eventual downfall, then I can agree. It was only because of this support that he had the balls to go invade Kuwait, since he thought America would be behind him.

How in the world did you come to that conclusion?

Define finish.

George Bush took away your freedoms. What makes you think Obama would more than McCain.

Obama isn't proposing universal health care. That was Hillary's biggest criticisms of him.

Take a close look at McCain's health care plan. It supports "small business" (read: all business owners) which means it will actually make things more expensive for the workers. So if you own a business with employees, you might like McCain's plan. If you are an employee, especially one with health issues, you will not.

You are comparing Obama to Hitler? Your baseless and desperate argument just achieved the classification: TOTAL FAIL.

TOTAL FAIL is the reason that anyone with an ounce of intelligence has not bothered to reply to that post, until now. It's just not worth it -_-'

I replied as I went, not realizing how ignorant it was until the end. My fault.

[quote=TalnSG;512555]That basically sums up my views on it too. But some cowboys has to continue their ego trip.



Not to insult your parent, but it sound like Mom doesn't believe in learning from mistakes. Her comparison is correct, but there is no justification for the U.S. to keep re-expexperiencing the same stupidity and interference in other countries.

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She said that obviously the lesson wasn't learned the first time. She really hopes that my generation dosen't repeat the mistakes that are being made now. She thinks the same as you in the way that America can do great things for other countrys, but we shoulden't try to control everything, or police the world.

My mom wants the change, but she can't be the only one.

Thanks for the clarification, Natsume, I misunderstood your phrasing in the original post.

MMM, yeah I almost succumbed to the futile exercise of responding to that too, but then I realized the source and knew not to bother.

When you speak, it reminds me of this weeks ridiculous episode of Naruto.

Obama's high taxes would be on Corporate Profits; the same ones McCain and the Republican party have always given lower taxes to in the form of rebates, concessions and pork barrell. The Republicans aren't going to lower any individual taxes to anyone below the top 10% in this country, so forget seeing any of it yourself considering Kentucky ranks 40th in the nation for average income per capita.

Fixed pricing in any market is the most ineffective form of socialism ever contrived. Ask the CCC and the former USSR. Guess what crippled their economies. There is a reason they are beginning to condone capitalism.

No kidding?

And because it was bankrupt. When people gain nothing personally, the quality of their production drops until it finally grinds to a halt.