The balance is ours to find. Obviously when a person can't find that balance, then he/she effects their surroundings negatively. The Earth is one of those things that can be effected.
Get enough of the same kind of people and you get a higher degree of negativity, which is what we have right now.
"Our" brains are as special as we allow them to be. It's just that most people rather not give a sh*t or they are too brainwashed to think outside of the box.

As calm as a bomb as always.

Yeah exactly, that's why I meant that maybe we're not all that intelligent (yet anyways). Doesn't really matter if a select few know how to reach the "balance", if the masses don't follow.

The balance is ours to find, however it doesn't seem we are doing very well...

And well maybe we should bear this in mind; the earth will be here long after we are gone. It's not really the earth we "destroy", we just f*k up our own (and just about all animals') living standards..

Maybe it's time to colonize space already?

Yeah, we can't know for 100% sure. But if scientists are correct, and we are infact destroying the environment/eco systems/habitats/oceans/whatnot at the rate they say (or even at half the rate) then think about how big of a negative effect humans have.

I mean, how long have humans been around, compared to the total time of life on this planet? It's a small fraction... Yet, in this time (and not even really, since the most part of this negative effect has taken place in later years) we've managed to seriously alter the environment and natural habitats for so many animals on a global scale. Please not that I'm very much not just talking about global warming.

Started with the rudeness already I see... jeez :rolleyes:

Simple reason why we're superior to ANY creature... WE CAN KILL THEM ALL...

And shut up about the religious stuff... It has nothing to do with religion and you're the arrogant and ignorant one for thinking that my brain is somehow brainwashed... The only reason YOU can't have a debate with a religious person is because you're stupid... You probably look at extremist christians that deny everything in life and apply it to every religious person in the world... Get over yourself, I always debate with you with LOGIC and reason AND science, which is more than I can say for you :rolleyes:

As for the animal souls and crap, I would choose a human life because I AM human, and don't be such an idiot. Animals would do the same thing :rolleyes:

hahaha... you're a retard... Please, just get yourself banned again... You obviously think you're superior to religious people, so what's so funny with me thinking I'm superior to animals :rolleyes:

And you absolute idiot, so WHAT if they can do all that? If you got any brains, you'd realise that we HUMANS figured all that shit out and hence, we are able to outsmart ANY animal. Therefore, we are superior because we can destroy them if we want ;)

EDIT.. wtf are you talking about? I love animals, I think they are amazing creatures, but that doesn't mean they are equal or superior to us. And obviously you didn't get what I meant by us being able to kill them... We've used our brains to create tools that can destroy a lion before he knows what's happening to him...

I agree 100% (interesting to agree with you..).

No, but really. Tenchu, this has nothing to do with religion (noodle didn't even use some kind of religious "man were chosen" mumbo-jumbo, atleast I think he didn't mean it). The fact that we can kill them all makes us "superior" in a natural kind of way. It does not really make us "wiser", "more intelligent" or any of those human ideas. But superior, as in "we can wipe them out but they can't wipe us out", we are.

In nature, the stronger animal is superior. If there were 6 billion amur leopards, do you think they would have much left to feed on? Unless their brains had evolved like humans..

Humans will in general look to their own best first, as is natural to do. However, I would like to think that we(not the masses, but some) have evolved to a point where we have compassion and can actually consider the effects to other animals and the environment (as demonstrated by all animal-rights and environmentalist movements).

I actually really care about this kind of thing. I just find it really sad.

I certainly don't think animals are inferior. The ability to kill someone in my opinion doesn't make you superior. Just because a big strong man would have the strength to kill me because I'm a little girl doesn't make me inferior in my opinion.

They have the ability to think and feel, they are living creatures. Of course they don't have the 'brain power' that humans do, but they have other features and things that we could not possibly imagine.

A singular human is a very weak creature indeed, the only reason we are any stronger is because of all the technologies we have.

In any case I think it's pretty selfish to suggest that animals don't matter. These are beautiful creatures that the human race has probably destroyed, and I don't think it is acceptable whether you think animals are inferior or not.

Let's agree to disagree shall we? No one here is going to change their personal opinion.

You're the only one here bringing religion into this. Act your age please and don't argue just for the sake of arguing.

You don't read other's posts do you?

Because a) he told me to kill myself based on an earlier reply by me and b) he was derailing the thread from the beginning.
What I said was not because he was German but because he totally misunderstood what I was writing. I would've said the same thing to anyone else in the same situation.
Hope that clears it up for you.

Lol I bet the simple reason you believe Humans are the same as animals is because of your view on Evolution. You believe that any animal, given enough time, has the potential to evolve into a higher conciousness, kinda like what the whole Mario universe is based on. :rolleyes:
Lets say for arguments sake i'm right about you here and that you are hypothetically correct.. that still makes Humans superior to animals right now.

Anyone who suggests that animals don't matter is an absolute f***wit, just like some posters earlier on in this thread I had a problem with. I don't think the majority of people here have a problem with respect for animals. They are highlighting reality though and that is that humans might not have the "extra special" abilities but they can easily reproduce them with technology.

Are you on Crack??!!! This statement is like saying a calculator is on the same level or superior as/to us because it's more powerful at calculating numbers...:cool: You're stupid...

Hahaha... that's a great one... like the Nazi's... Why didn't I think of that :rolleyes:

I think you have the same problem as people like Ronin4hire... You get too caught up on your prejudgment and you don't even read people's posts... First of all, if you wanna make this about religion, you wouldn't have said half the shit you've said because you'd know that in Islam, we HAVE to respect other animals... So you talking about lack of respect is just stupid and just make you an obnoxious fool.

Hahahahaha... you superior? You're a joke mate... But then again, it depends on the perspective right? I guess you can easily be superior at being an idiot that tries to relate everything to religion because you have no arguments... I bet if someone had the same opinions as me and wasn't religious, you'd spend your whole time trying to prove that they are :rolleyes: ... Get over yousrelf... you're nothing special.


Tell me, if we are more powerful and productive, then why aren't we superior? What's your definition of being superior? Maybe you'd think we're superior if we had psychic abilities? Or would you just come out and say, oh... well, a bat can navigate in the dark, so THERE!!!!
Oh and btw, like I said a million times before... stop prejudging me and putting me into your own little made stereotype of religious people.

aaaaaaaahahahahaha... Is that like you asking how to spell arrogant? Like I said before, you need to stop prejudging me... Lack of respect... Dude, the only creature I have a lack of respect for on this planet is YOU... Everytime I think you say something decent or you prove that you're not a retard, you just go and ruin it with your huge ego.

MissMisa... My answer to your post is exactly the same as ivonkey's...

*insert expression that shows how much I'm laughing*


Noodle; Don't you also pity Hentai-man aka Hyakushi?


As for Tenchu, I'm not against you. ;)

*Copies Thunda with the excessive laughing" lol

Ahh yes... you're right... I apologise... I don't have any respect for Hyakushi and Tenchu...Oh, not to forget Ronin4hire...

I don't know where some people here get their "you don't respect animals" - shit from. Noone ever said that here, we just try to tell some truth. I have very much respect for just about every animal, but that doesn't mean I don't know there's a hierarchy in nature. There are some very intelligent animals, and we should respect them (which we're not really doing).

I don't think Tenchu understands what I or noodle mean when we say "superior". It's not meant as "we are superior, so we should kill them" (like that crappy nazi parallel you tried making). The meaning of the word here instead implies that "we are higher on natures hierarchy of survival". That means that e.g. lions can not threaten humanitys survival, but we can threaten theirs (and we do). Noone ever said we should.

Thing is, that is our strenght. The power to work together, build, develop. I like to believe that this was a specific step in evolution: instead of getting more muscles, bigger bodies etc, we in fact got weaker and less deadly (as a naked being). Instead our minds developed, which made possible what we are today. Just look at big apes(gorillas etc.) that are much stronger and more deadly than a human.

What's sad is that humans are brilliant, but also arrogant, violent, and stupid. Sometimes I wonder what the purpose of all the negative behavior of humans is (seen on an evolutionary scale). But then again, other animals rape, eat and kill mates and children,etc.

Nah its cool if you guys are arguing but someone always brings religion in it and fucks it up. Should get rid of this habit.

Points finger at the so callled superior human :cool: ... But then again, it's like a defence mechanism... No intellegent response so "HAH, you're a religious folk, you're stupid!!!"

Edit: Henbaka, I agree with your response to Tenchu... I'm glad someone gets what I'm saying...

Its quite evident that even in strength and athleticism we can go quite far. It all takes work that the majority of people just won't put in because of the "box" they put themselves in or are put in, when they are born.

Yes of course there are people of great strenght etc. I was talking about an average human. In general, people are not stronger now than they were a few hundred years back (probably weaker). So the evolution is going more towards weak&smart than dumb&strong (very simplified).

Alternative Solution!

Get samples of sperm from the fertile males and eggs from the females, get them together and wait for little babies to be born, take some of their cells and clone them (like, from different cells so that later on they can breed with one another) several times (so that there's two of each original member) until there're enough of them to creature a community, then keep them in a natural reserve for some years until they're ready to be dropped into the wild.

Pd.- Cloning is no longer sci-fi; the Korean lady did it.

And dolly in '96.

Since this has suddenly become Judge Judy to you, let me outline how my "adversarial nature" was provoked.
Firstly he came about being quite rude to Tenchu for no reason whatsoever, save the fact that this thread was created. Obviously with the third paragraph of what you've written, it is quite evident that you feel the same way Tenchu does about the leopard situation. So it isn't a large stretch of the imagination why someone like me, who feels the same way, would be quite annoyed with his response. It's also no stretch of the imagination why I would call someone an ass when they were being one, with just cause.
It's quite evident what I define being "an ass", if you read the banter between Tenchu and Deutsch.
Secondly, you seem to have misunderstood what he meant when he "twisted" my words. He didn't "twist" my words but completely misunderstood what I said.
I wrote that there was only a reason for him to act the way he was IF someone had suggested that humans all die. He thought I had said that "it was alright for people to die", and hence said I should kill myself. It was nothing to do with a random outburst telling me to kill myself, as you've assumed.
Thirdly, the topic is about a "fact" that there are very few of those types of leopards left. Any sane person would know that leaving the Leopards alone won't solve anything and some sort of intervention is required.
This is why he was off topic and de-railing the thread, by needlessly diverting attention away from what the intention of this thread was.

Please, let me know if you still disagree. :)

You treat him as though his position on the subject is that of some mad man. Yet the strategy of leaving these animals alone, is a major part of the strategy of the Russian government. This strategy also receives the support of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF.) Russia has been removing almost all human activity from the leopards habitat. This includes the closing of roads in and out of the areas. So in effect they are trying to make sure that they are left alone! The only active conservation act, has been the reintroduction of some indigenous prey animals to the area.

Yes, it is true that, I have judged you, just as you have passed judgment upon others many times in this forum. I do not care for the way you treat people, who's opinions differ from your own. I choose not to conceal this fact. You are a very intelligent person, but I abhor the arrogant way in which you choose to dispense your knowledge.

On a last note, if you truly believe that his knowledge of the English language was a factor in his response to you, then you should re-review the Forum Rules/Etiquette:
Now, I realize he was trying to be insulting, so I didn't expect a kind response. However, to criticize his lack of English skills, was just plain wrong. It was very bad form!

By leaving alone he meant to not bother with the situation at all and that this thread was a waste of time. This I know by the way he answered Tenchu. If he meant "leave them alone" the way you've stated, then I wouldn't have had a problem.

I don't really care if you judge me. I'm more than capable of defending myself.
The fact is though that what seems arrogant to you is not arrogant at all.
I've had problems with people who are either a) ignorant on purpose or b) hypocritical. I've never outright attacked anyone for no reason. If you disagree with the reasons I argue with then that is your prerogative but from the fact alone that I respond based on reasoning should tell you that I don't mean to be arrogant and it is just the way you perceive things.
If someones opinion differs from my own, it is not a problem to me but what you seem to mistake for arrogance is just me tackling an issue the way I am used to tackling it. If someones opinion is based on ignorance and they let it be known on this forum, then it's an invitation for that opinion and what it is founded on, to be discussed, disputed and even ridiculed if the opinion is silly enough.

I don't think you read the part where I said that he wasn't being insulting but misunderstanding what I had read. Even so, if someone told me to kill myself and meant it as an insult, why is my pointing out his lackof English even remotely a problem for u? I'm obviously going to reply back and what I said is quite a mild insult in response to what I was given.
That is IF he meant it as an insult, which I don't believe he did.
Like I said, if someone else had so blatantly mis-read my response, I would've said the same thing. Also, he probably isn't the best person to have as a witness (:mtongue:) but Tenchu agrees with me.
It has nothing to do with not being able to understand English but a blatant lack of respect as a person, to try and understand what someone has written.

I'm not a believer of Evolution in that way. Therefore I think that no matter how average a person is, they can achieve a lot if they want. Be as strong as a Gorilla if they wanna be :p
Shame they got rid of the Evolution thread >.<

It's a sad fact that animals are dying out like this.
Mankind can be very selfish.
... But, in this case, it's hard to simply point a steady finger at someone and accuse them as guilty.

It says that the Siberian Leopards are losing massive amounts of their natural habitat to logging and unnatural fires (for fertilization).
It would be simple to pass judgement on the loggers, if only I knew exactly where and how their logs were being used.

This is just another example of the complexity of life on this planet.
It must also be put into consideration that we're creatures of this world too; we require certain things to support our living...
And before someone attempts to use this argument against me, let me point out that it's within mankinds nature to be selfish. We are beings of expression and emotion... And that fact will never change.


One man alone cannot definitely improve the world, but he can definitely improve himself.

By being appreciative of the things I use and mindful of the sacrifices made for them, I become less of a threat to the planet.

At least, that's my light opinion on the matter.

There is also the issue of the less innocent poaching...

Huh not to start up too much OT but, huh? A person can't just "evolve" during his lifetime like that. Sure, with the right substances he could be that strong perhaps, though...

Dude, almost 20000 children die EVERY DAY of hunger, people don't seem to care about that yet you guys expect them to care about... leopards going extinct? >.>'

Yea
Like Peta for example.
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At least they care about something lmfao.

Well yeah, I'm against any form of animal abuse or cruelty but I believe humans should look after humans before they start caring about other species. I think a human's life is worth more than any animal's.

Yeah, actually I meant "get really strong", not "as strong as a gorilla". But anyways, we havent really tried that all out with substances, so it's hard to know :) (atleast publicly) Back to subject!

God forbid we care about more than one thing at the same time!
But hey, caring about only ourselves has worked out great so far!

A lot of people haven't donated money to hungry children overseas... But that doesn't necessarily mean they don't care.

Sometimes people have to worry about feeding their own families, before they can worry about feeding someone else -- before they can work to save an endangered species of animal.

Many of us do care...
However, the people that have the most influence in these situations are the people that are directly involved. And we can only hope that these people work hard to better themselves.

I bought that up in a thread someone else made and got a much harsher response than you have just now >.>
The fact is though that these leopards are in an even worse position at the moment and there is no denying that. Also, unlike other animals, the lives of Leopards are not placed above the lives of Humans. That was the problem I had with a previous thread.
Obviously both things need addressing.

I dunno what you mean by "evolve" then in the first place. Are you using it figuratively? If so then pardon my understanding of it in the first instance.

Anyway, I was just kidding about the Gorilla thing but I still believe that a person can do anything. Perhaps they won't be stronger but with something like martial arts, I bet they could out fight that Gorilla easily ;)
All supposition of course :rolleyes:

Yeah exactly. As someone I think already mentioned, it is possible to care about both things at the same time. And also, as the title of this thread suggests, [even though it sounds awful to speak of it this way] - we have more than enough humans for our survival. Though it is still a terrible situation that nobody would want to go through, so I see no harm in caring about these things in equal measure.

Indeed, I definitely have a problem when one places more value over another. Some cultures do actually do that.

I think every animal is important for this planet and to other animals, so I don't think there are inferior. Just because they may not be as intelligent as we are doesn't mean they should be killed for stupid reasons.

I do think the amur leopard is cute, but you have to remember that it's important to protect animals that aren't so cute, as well. They are just as important.