Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674150)

So... They should whale in an even crueler method, taking protected whales that are in direct danger of extinction?

Okay then.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674150)

If the world feels that they should stop, then the laws should being changed to prevent it. If they`re using a "loophole" - then close the loophole. At this point in time, it is legal, and I see any violent attacks against them because you don`t agree with them WAY out of line. Petition those who control the thing, not attack the little guys who are out there making a living.

Even those in Japan who are against whaling find Sea Shepard and their tactics flat out terrifying.

And, as mentioned before - Japan is not the only country whaling. But they`re the only ones I ever hear are attacked...

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 674152)

I was only highlighting the fact that Japan is full of sh*t when it cites tradition.. but I suppose if they use the tools they did back in the day it would severely limit the damage they could do to the whaling population.

Also why have you ignored the point I made about the Ainu fishing rights?

Japan are hypocrites... citing tradition when it comes to whaling but denying Ainu access to wild salmon in the name of tradition?

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674148)

The further north you go, the more prevalent whale culture becomes - just as the Japan sea coast of Japan has a crab culture that is in a different league than the rest of Japan. Apparently in some areas, the meat for curry is whale, you eat whale burgers at school, etc. I think that the Kansai area is the area with the lowest consumption, so it`s not a big surprise that you didn`t encounter it. I can`t say that it`s eaten all that much around here either, but it does exist on every menu at every izakaya / ippin-ryouri place I`ve ever been to.
It`s like the otsumami of choice among the older men.

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 674156)

Ronin, we get it. You want whalers dead. Keeping saying it doesn't bode for reasonable debate.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674155)

I don`t recall ever saying that tradition is a valid reason to continue on with whaling. I do recall saying that I don`t particularly support the whaling at all.
I`d be perfectly happy if it were stopped. I don`t see it as necessary at all.

The thing that I am complaining about is the actions of Sea Shepard.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674155)

Then push to make it illegal by means of the international organization. Attack them when they disagree.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674155)

And still, no one has touched on why Japan is being attacked left and right but not Norway, Iceland, or any other country that is whaling in a commercial capacity.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 674157)

What?

It's only a fraction of what I said.

You make it sound like it's my main point.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 674158)

I was just explaining my point. I thought you didn't understand it.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674162)

I didn`t think that it was directed at me, as I have never supported whaling and never cited tradition as a reason to continue it.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674162)

But it would definitely be a start to push to make them rule against whaling altogether, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 674162)

Norway takes as many whales as Japan, in a completely commercial capacity. They`ve supposedly said that they would continue no matter what, have been pushing every year to take even more whales, etc. Iceland takes about half? If I recall correctly.
Japan gets all the publicity. Painting Japan as an enemy is a whole lot easier than doing the same to Norway, and various groups have stated this.

If people are against whaling, they should be against whaling - not against whaling if Japan is doing it.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 674183)

It is selfsih to neglect animals simply because we are smarter than them. We need food, so we can farm animals like pigs, cattle, chickens, Ronin4Hire, sheep, so on, but the world is too populated to step out the back door and just go on hunting any old animal right now.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 674149)

And what if the "kings" are sitting on their arses doing nothing?

People should stand up for what is right more often. The reason they behave like this is because it is becoming clearer and clearer that this kind of action can often be the only thing that can induce change.

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 674183)

That might sound noble, but it just doesn't work.

I gave an example of how money can over rule law. No one replied to my post and it was a tad disheartening. But the point was, Japan is a big player in the market, and vile criticism of anything about a country can have massive implications. Unfortunately, and now more than ever (global financial crisis), the governments place the economy above nature.

If civilians, not government representatives, do not make a serious manouver against corruption like this then there is a good chance no one will. Some issues have to be dealt with this way. It is sad, but true.

It is selfsih to neglect animals simply because we are smarter than them. We need food, so we can farm animals like pigs, cattle, chickens, Ronin4Hire, sheep, so on, but the world is too populated to step out the back door and just go on hunting any old animal right now.

A mass extinction is going on against many species, people like to deny its us, I find it a little amuseing they can deny it when these animals sit on their plates in front of them...

LOL! I doubt that. I mean, the whales will all be gone eventually... then I suppose we better protect Sea World... bastards'll try and scunge the last of 'em from our marine zoo's...