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Heru 02-19-2009 12:39 AM

New York Post Racism?
 
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At first glance, the main editorial cartoon in today's New York Post seemed like just another lurid reference to the story that the tabloid had been covering with breathless abandon for two days running - the shooting by Connecticut police on Monday of a pet chimpanzee that viciously attacked his owner's friend.

But the caption cast the cartoon in a more sinister light. "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," it read, prompting accusations that the Post was peddling a longstanding racist slur by portraying president Barack Obama, who signed the bill into law yesterday, as an ape.....
Story: New York Post in racism row over chimpanzee cartoon | World news | guardian.co.uk

MMM 02-19-2009 01:04 AM

Obviously a poor choice of editorial cartoons, but I am sure the racist intonations were not intended. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill, members of Congress did, which is surely who they referencing.

pumpum 02-19-2009 01:05 AM

WOW they shot a chimp ?? :confused:

these american cops man ! :mad:

alexlovesrock 02-19-2009 01:06 AM

the whole point is the stimulus bill is "monkey business" its a worthless bill that just wastes a F__kload of money
these ppl who scream racism at every corner are crazy

Heru 02-19-2009 01:32 AM

This is as bad as the oozinator

YouTube - Oozinator - Questionable Super Soaker

Aniki 02-19-2009 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Heru (Post 676713)

Cum shooter - The pride of American toy industry.

Sangetsu 02-19-2009 01:50 AM

One could just as easily say that the "chimp" was George Bush, couldn't they?

Only in Washington could someone find any logic in the government's borrowing their way (with the taxpayer's money) to prosperity.

In the end, it will not work. The money will be gone, and the collapse will merely be delayed. It would be better to let it fall now, and use the trillion or so "stimulus" dollars as a foundation for a better economy.

The government is trying to fight a forest fire with a water pistol.

MMM 02-19-2009 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 676722)

Only in Washington could someone find any logic in the government's borrowing their way (with the taxpayer's money) to prosperity.

What do you mean? Japan has been doing it for years.

Myths and truths about Japan's stimulus - Jan. 21, 2009

minimin 02-19-2009 02:03 AM

Who is an advocate for the stimulus bill?? Who wanted it first?? Who flew around the United States getting people to agree on this bill? the answer to all those questions--Obama... I dont think they meant anything by this cartoon intentially but it did raise a hell fire and it most certainly looks racist. They certainly have some explaining to do since in the past they have reffered to African-Americans as Chimps, Apes and such. Who cares if they reffered to Bush as one too I know this.

MMM 02-19-2009 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by minimin (Post 676729)
Who is an advocate for the stimulus bill??

And if the cop said "They better get a new advocate for the stimulus bill." then I would say "Yup, that's racist."

minimin 02-19-2009 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 676731)
And if the cop said "They better get a new advocate for the stimulus bill." then I would say "Yup, that's racist."

But whos stimulus bill is it? Its not just Pelosi or Harry Reids its Obamas too, just because he didnt write doesnt mean he wasnt a big influence I essentially can say its his--everyone else does.

I still see a problem with the satire of a killing of a chimp and comparing it to an event thats completely irrelevant to what the stimulus bill is. Its wrong and stupid and they're yet to notice there problem. Now what on earth does that current event have to do with Stimulus bill, regardless of what they explained I see no clear definition as to what that has to do with the bill he just signed.

MMM 02-19-2009 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by minimin (Post 676733)
But whos stimulus bill is it? Its not just Pelosi or Harry Reids its Obamas too, just because he didnt write doesnt mean he wasnt a big influence I essentially can say its his--everyone else does.

I still see a problem with the satire of a killing of a chimp and comparing it to an event thats completely irrelevant to what the stimulus bill is. Its wrong and stupid and they're yet to notice there problem. Now what on earth does that current event have to do with Stimulus bill, regardless of what they explained I see no clear definition as to what that has to do with the bill he just signed.

There is not doubt about the fact it is a tasteless and unfunny joke. I see it as taking the popular stance that Congress is full of monkeys.

minimin 02-19-2009 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 676736)
There is not doubt about the fact it is a tasteless and unfunny joke. I see it as taking the popular stance that Congress is full of monkeys.

I agree with you completely that it is tasteless and non-funny, but it they were using that angle did they have to shoot one dead. Its not ethically correct either infact its evil. They have no scruples and didnt make an apology or any such thing.

MMM 02-19-2009 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by minimin (Post 676738)
I agree with you completely that it is tasteless and non-funny, but it they were using that angle did they have to shoot one dead. Its not ethically correct either infact its evil. They have no scruples and didnt make an apology or any such thing.

Well, a chimp was just shot dead by police in Connecticut (it was attacking a woman)...that's why they did that.

minimin 02-19-2009 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 676741)
Well, a chimp was just shot dead by police in Connecticut (it was attacking a woman)...that's why they did that.

Sure i know this, I do watch the news.The point I was trying to make is what does that current event have to do with the current signing of the stimulus bill, people may compare congress to chimps but it seemingly has nothing to do with Obama signing the stimulus. It was stupid and pointless to compare anyone to a dead chimp. and even useless to compare the chimp to the stimulus bill its not dead yet.

MMM 02-19-2009 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by minimin (Post 676745)
Sure i know this, I do watch the news.The point I was trying to make is what does that current event have to do with the current signing of the stimulus bill, people may compare congress to chimps but it seemingly has nothing to do with Obama signing the stimulus. It was stupid and pointless to compare anyone to a dead chimp. and even useless to compare the chimp to the stimulus bill its not dead yet.

That I can 100% agree with.

minimin 02-19-2009 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 676760)
That I can 100% agree with.


:) I just think we outta give Obama a chance to do his job. People want to shove him aside so easily and hope he fails but I guess they dont see that if he fails we all fail. Hopefully this helps out the financial crisis, and keeps some people in their homes.

Jaydelart 02-19-2009 03:04 AM

I don't think they intended for it to be racist... but it's a stupid move, nonetheless.

MMM 02-19-2009 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 676803)
What a load of BS. Americans jumping up and down over nothing again...

Actually the article is from Guardian UK. I saw nothing about this reported in any American media...at least not yet.

SSJup81 02-19-2009 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 676803)
What is racist about that?

It is an insult to Obama, to potray him as an ape. How does it tie to his skin color, but? Not to mention, I don't think it was meant like that. I think the joke is they shot the monkey who attacked that woman, and that monkey was supposed to sign the bill, but is now dead. I am not sure the monkey was actually supposed to be Obama...

What a load of BS. Americans jumping up and down over nothing again...

For the most part, African Americans/blacks have a long history with being associated with being "stupid monkeys" and such. If one hadn't known about the unfortunate incident with the chimp a couple of days ago, I'm sure most anyone would consider that toon racist. Even though Obama didn't write the stimulus bill, he's still the most associated with it and when people think of the bill, they more than likely think of Obama. To someone who has seen racism or have gone through it or have had relatives and such who have gone through it, you can possibly understand why they would consider this cartoon bordering racism or just view it as downright racist.

SSJup81 02-19-2009 04:58 AM

It's not as common now, probably, but racist people have used the term before in this day and age. I have a friend whose friend is extremely racist, who of which he usually avoids. He still uses the whole "monkey" thing referring to blacks being idiots, stupid, slow, etc.

MMM 02-19-2009 04:59 AM

Tenchu, you don't live in America, so I wouldn't expect you to understand, but any remote comparison of blacks and monkeys (or apes, in this case) is strictly taboo.

Howard Cosell, Look at that little monkey run

MMM 02-19-2009 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 676821)
You'd be surprised how present American culture and media is in my life in Thailand... but yes, this one has missed me.

But consider, people think it is offensive to sterio type American Indians as riding on bare horse back in leather clothes with face paint on and a bow and arrow. But was there any notion of racism about pics like this below?


There are no depictions of Native Americans in that cartoon.
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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 676821)
The point is, America has gone from being overly racist of colored people to overly protective of them almost over night, and now some poor stupid singer girl is wanted to pay $4 million for pulling a face... loving ridiculous...

Close, but not quite. The IMAGE of America has gone from being overly racist to overly protective overnight. No racist stopped being racist just because Obama was elected. The world just realized that America isn't nearly as racist as many parts of it thought it was. America didn't change...just the world's impression of it.

And I have no idea what your last sentence is about...

angelbott 02-19-2009 08:43 AM

I remember I read online news about Chimp attacked her friend and the police shot him poor chimp. He's snapped. O.O;; I think it's mean and racist. =/

And I don't think America is a free country I not believe in freedom. in US people lost their jobs a lot in economy going to worst it made me sad for people who lost jobs and also lose their homes too. Freedom not mean free 'cause army told people that That's true Do you/people have a job, home, and somethings you or people think it free bills/taxes? No way Never happen not made free bill/taxes sorry....

MMM 02-19-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by angelbott (Post 676863)
I remember I read online news about Chimp attacked her friend and the police shot him poor chimp. He's snapped. O.O;; I think it's mean and racist. =/

You think the police shot the chimp out of racism?

Oh my...

What the heck is going on around here lately?

Sangetsu 02-19-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 676724)
What do you mean? Japan has been doing it for years.

Myths and truths about Japan's stimulus - Jan. 21, 2009

I'm well aware of it. Japan's situation is more dire than America's. Japan remains a "creditor" nation only because the national debt is kept internal. In reality, when you compare the GDP of Japan and America, Japan's national debt is much higher than America's.

America does not need to spend money on any kind of "stimulus" program. In order to fund this stimulus plan, you must tax the people (in this case, borrow it and make our children and grandchildren repay it) to get the money. Why go such a roundabout way? Why not just not tax anyone in the first place? Then we'll have their own money to spend, which we can do with a little more wisdom than the government can.


When all is said and done, right now, how much of your money do you actually get to keep after all tax is paid or withheld? Federal income tax, Social Security, state income tax, sales tax, property tax, utility tax (look at your electric, phone, cable, and gas bills). There are 43 different taxes on gasoline alone. Tax is increased each year, and in exchange we get fewer/lower quality services for it.

Government bureaucracy has become a class unto itself, and is the least productive of any the classes in society.

What's worse is that the stimulus bill contains legislation which pretty much destroys the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. One of the few reasons that the economy grew strongly in the 90's until recently is because more people were working and less were collecting benefits. The stimulus bill does not have an expiration date on it, these changes in law are more or less permanent, which is why some governors are opposed to the stimulus program. Once the federal money is spent, states will be required to fund these programs on their own. And how exactly will they do that? By increasing taxes even further.

The stimulus bill is another example of the cure being worse than the disease. The government has mismanaged our economy for decades, setting the stage for the problems we are facing now. Our federal tax code varies between 2500 and 60,000 pages, depending on which politician you ask about it. No one really knows, yet they are content to add another couple hundred regulations to it, adding them so quickly that very few people have actually had the time to look at them and understand them.

None of these morons in Washington can balance their own checkbooks without help, and yet we allow them to spend our money as they see fit. Does anyone else see any problems with this picture? Barney Frank is one of the worst offenders, yet he is the chairman of the Banking and Finance Committee.

Obama promised change, and its coming in spades...

end of rant :D

Sangetsu 02-19-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by angelbott (Post 676863)
I remember I read online news about Chimp attacked her friend and the police shot him poor chimp. He's snapped. O.O;; I think it's mean and racist. =/

And I don't think America is a free country I not believe in freedom. in US people lost their jobs a lot in economy going to worst it made me sad for people who lost jobs and also lose their homes too. Freedom not mean free 'cause army told people that That's true Do you/people have a job, home, and somethings you or people think it free bills/taxes? No way Never happen not made free bill/taxes sorry....

What? How much have you had to drink tonight?

YukisUke 02-20-2009 04:30 AM

I thought that it was absolutely RACIST!!!:mad: :mad: . What the hell were they thinking putting that cartoon in the newspapers?! They are so F**king stupid. I hope they lose their jobs over this. But then again I don't because jobs are scarce nowadays.

Tsuruneru 02-20-2009 05:10 AM

Dude just calm down things like this happens all the time.

angelbott 02-20-2009 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 676871)
You think the police shot the chimp out of racism?

Oh my...

What the heck is going on around here lately?

no I was read news of online it say the police shot the chimp i think the polices laugh at the chimp for stupid reason. =/ It lottle sound little rude for that. =/ If they have pets like as chimp they're calm and good pet but chimp is snapped That's why he attacked her friend that's scary...

..I don't know I think it gonna bad happens...

angelbott 02-20-2009 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 676874)
What? How much have you had to drink tonight?

None. I don't drink it I saw News and online of News many things. And The goverents (and also of mine in hometown not care about freedom = free it not mean freedom =/= free like for free ome/drivers but no pay more bills/taxes. and very unknown ways what i heard of it).

MMM 02-20-2009 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by angelbott (Post 677139)
no I was read news of online it say the police shot the chimp i think the polices laugh at the chimp for stupid reason. =/ It lottle sound little rude for that. =/ If they have pets like as chimp they're calm and good pet but chimp is snapped That's why he attacked her friend that's scary...

..I don't know I think it gonna bad happens...

so......why did you say you thought the police were racist?

I think you should try to organize your thoughts a little more clearly before you post.

Jaydelart 02-20-2009 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 677145)
Dogs attack more people than chimps...

You have a meaning behind that random remark... So, I'll bite: What's your point?

angelbott 02-20-2009 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 677141)
so......why did you say you thought the police were racist?

I think you should try to organize your thoughts a little more clearly before you post.

No I don't say it the police were racist. I know pets gonna snapped like chimp do as wild animals That's dangerous... the police had no choice let him go/calm down him or shoot him he's killed before chimp will attack the police. =/

samurai007 02-20-2009 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by minimin (Post 676767)
:) I just think we outta give Obama a chance to do his job. People want to shove him aside so easily and hope he fails but I guess they dont see that if he fails we all fail. Hopefully this helps out the financial crisis, and keeps some people in their homes.

Actually, when the Ideas and proposals of Obama and the Dems in Congress are harmful to this country, as numerous people, including the Congressional Budget Office, have said this falsely-named "stimulus bill" will be, then if Obama fails, we all win.

Washington Times - CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
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CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
Stephen Dinan (Contact)
Wednesday, February 4, 2009


President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.

CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net. [The House bill] would have similar long-run effects, CBO said in a letter to Sen. Judd Gregg, New Hampshire Republican, who was tapped by Mr. Obama on Tuesday to be Commerce Secretary.

The House last week passed a bill totaling about $820 billion while the Senate is working on a proposal reaching about $900 billion in spending increases and tax cuts.

But Republicans and some moderate Democrats have balked at the size of the bill and at some of the spending items included in it, arguing they won't produce immediate jobs, which is the stated goal of the bill.

The budget office had previously estimated service the debt due to the new spending could add hundreds of millions of dollars to the cost of the bill -- forcing the crowd-out.

CBOs basic assumption is that, in the long run, each dollar of additional debt crowds out about a third of a dollars worth of private domestic capital, CBO said in its letter.

CBO said there is no crowding out in the short term, so the plan would succeed in boosting growth in 2009 and 2010.

The agency projected the Senate bill would produce between 1.4 percent and 4.1 percent higher growth in 2009 than if there was no action. For 2010, the plan would boost growth by 1.2 percent to 3.6 percent.

CBO did project the bill would create jobs, though by 2011 the effects would be minuscule.

MMM 02-20-2009 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by angelbott (Post 676863)
I remember I read online news about Chimp attacked her friend and the police shot him poor chimp. He's snapped. O.O;; I think it's mean and racist.

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Originally Posted by angelbott (Post 677157)
No I don't say it the police were racist. I know pets gonna snapped like chimp do as wild animals That's dangerous... the police had no choice let him go/calm down him or shoot him he's killed before chimp will attack the police. =/

I am not sure if you are a native speaker of English. If you are not, then I forgive you. If you are, you need to think a little more before you hit "send". Your thoughts are hard to figure out, and I am not sure why I should try.

angelbott 02-20-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 677173)
I am not sure if you are a native speaker of English. If you are not, then I forgive you. If you are, you need to think a little more before you hit "send". Your thoughts are hard to figure out, and I am not sure why I should try.

my 'first' native language is Sign language 'cause I am born deaf ^^; second is English I try my best for grammar. =/ That's okay. ^^;
I know but my opinion I remember I read in online news about shoot chimp it's shocked It say "Chimps will eating babies of humans" It made me scary I don't want It not true for eating the babies it's sound not cool to me. ^^;

Yuusuke 02-20-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 676675)
Obviously a poor choice of editorial cartoons, but I am sure the racist intonations were not intended. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill, members of Congress did, which is surely who they referencing.

I'm alittle curious

so Obama only signs the bill, he does contribute in constructing what the bill states with the rest of congress?

burkhartdesu 02-20-2009 07:03 PM

Bottom line:

Even if this was a reference to the "monkeys of congress" and not Obama, anyone in there right mind would make that connection- especially a clever cartoonist.

Yuusuke 02-20-2009 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 677296)
Bottom line:

Even if this was a reference to the "monkeys of congress" and not Obama, anyone in there right mind would make that connection- especially a clever cartoonist.

well it's a quite conservative image.


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