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kirakira 02-25-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 678721)
But if I had to choose to live as a salaried worker in any country in the world, I would choose Japan or the US way above China.

You should read Nikkei a bit more to see what the fuss is about.

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noodle 02-25-2009 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 678721)
I am not "condecending" on China on any way at all.

On this thread there is talk of how strong China is financially...

But if I had to choose to live as a salaried worker in any country in the world, I would choose Japan or the US way above China.

I believe you are MMM. Your opinions of China are always overly negative (in my opinion).

As for Chinese cities not making it, they only chose a select few cities (in my opinion the wrong ones, such as Shanghai and Beijing). If they had chosen some of the less known ones, like Shenzhen or Guangzhou, I'm sure they would've made it higher than 98th (which was for Shanghai).

The economist one is kinda stupid. Most rankings done by most countries (even the French who love to say France has the best Qualité de vie) puts Zurich first, so straight away, I'm not really a big fan of the economist ranking. Plus, they've only got 140 cities. If Algiers beats most Chinese cities, then, the ranking seems even stupider to me (if they actually did consider more than 140, but simply posted the top 140). So, if they considered 140 cities, without any Chinese cities, then it's no surprise that no Chinese cities are there :cool:

noodle 02-25-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TakedaFanBoy (Post 678678)
Is that a serious question?
China doesn't allow Christianity, even by mentioning it you get in trouble. If Japan is under China control, the ability to actually walk the streets of Japan and preach diminishes, greatly.
By your question you have to be one of those secular people, I really hope there aren't more of you here.

What are you talking about? I know lots of Chinese Christians. Heck, they even try to preach to me.

It's really annoying when people complain about China with false information. Yes, China has lots of faults, and it's nowhere near perfect, but when people exagurate and get information wrong, it's just terrible. It's kinda like the Human Rights record. EVERYONE always mentions it, but no one ever thinks about when this Human rights record started. If the records went back just 150 years, people would see that the US, UK, France etc have a human rights record similar to China or worse!

Sutiiven 02-25-2009 11:34 AM

kirakira: you know all though school aced literacy classes. what a few wrong things. So be a prick if you like i dont care if i get banned :vsign:

bELyVIS 02-25-2009 02:52 PM

One thing no one has mentioned is balance. The US and Japan have exported most of their manufacturing jobs to third world countries (China included) and has become more of a service oriented economy. This means that most of the goods are imported and most of the money leaves the country never to come back unless there is a service needed by the exporting country that they cannot provide for themselves. The money leaving is greater than the money coming back eventually ruining the economies of these service based countries. This also impacts the exporting country because there is no money to buy these goods.
China and Japan will never become close. There are too many Chinese (and other Asian countries) that still remember their aggression in the early 1900's. They might act like they are over this, but if you talk to them (even the younger ones who weren't even born then), you can still sense the resentment.
The US and Japan (and China eventually) will all fail if they don't even out their economic bases.

komitsuki 02-25-2009 05:35 PM

Good for Japan. America isn't really a reliable partner anyways when LDP in Japan is doing misleading stuffs for years. It's time for Japan to slowly ignore America, shut down all American bases for the interest of the Japanese people.

Japan should be better friends with Russia and China instead.

noodle 02-25-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bELyVIS (Post 678755)
They might act like they are over this, but if you talk to them (even the younger ones who weren't even born then), you can still sense the resentment.

I don't think this is true at all... Out of all the Chinese I know, and have known, a very small minority still resent Japan. The rest of them admire Japan and it's pop culture!

Before I became good friends with most of these Chinese, I was afraid of their reactions towards me because I liked things about Japan. But when we started speaking about these things, I was pleasently surprised because it actually just gave us another thing in common. Now, once a week, me and about 8 other chinese sit down together in a friends living room with a big TV and watch Naruto, Bleach and Gintama. Sometimes we even try cooking Japanese food, other times, we just get food from a Japanese restaurant one of them works for.

Sinestra 02-25-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 678775)
Good for Japan. America isn't really a reliable partner anyways when LDP in Japan is doing misleading stuffs for years. It's time for Japan to slowly ignore America, shut down all American bases for the interest of the Japanese people.

Japan should be better friends with Russia and China instead.

I wonder if you know the meaning of GLOBAL ECONOMY. It wouldn't do Japan any good to ignore American nor could they its not that easy. Im not even touching your shutting down bases comments for that will cause a flame war of epic proportions which im not in the mood to get into right now. Dont think changing economic polices that have been well established for decades is as easy as changing jobs you will find yourself disappointed.

In the end China, The US and Japan have to work together on some common ground to balance things out or it doesn't matter who is aligned with who they will all fail. In this day and age no country can stand alone. I dont have anything against China i dont live there so i cant comment with accuracy about the situation there. What i would like to see is the US, China and Japan cooperate on economic matters and for the US and Russia to have better ties. Its in the best interest for us all if we work together that would be nice but the reality of the world is far different then the one i have in my head.

komitsuki 02-25-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinestra (Post 678786)
I wonder if you know the meaning of GLOBAL ECONOMY. It wouldn't do Japan any good to ignore American nor could they its not that easy. Im not even touching your shutting down bases comments for that will cause a flame war of epic proportions which im not in the mood to get into right now. Dont think changing economic polices that have been well established for decades is as easy as changing jobs you will find yourself disappointed.

That's the business level. I'm talking about the political level. And not all countries' friendly relationships are equal.

Even there are many countries in the world whose public or government don't like America and still willing to trade with America. After all, (petro)dollar doesn't know any boundary and America has the opportunity to do anything to do business with other unfriendly countries in a passive way.

But at least Japan is doing a very good job of unintentionally breaking Japan-American friendship. Of course it's from the ongoing self-collapse of a very USA-friendly party called LDP.

I don't mean to offend proud America, but since I used to live in South Korea for a long time I do have a cynical attitudes towards America.

TakedaFanBoy 02-25-2009 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kirakira (Post 678879)

I've read it and still stand firm.
This will all be a waste if China's Christian policies spread to Japan.

Trolling, by the way, is with the intention of wishing this thread closed. Thats not what I want. I was however expressing my opinion.


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