China needs respect from the West because it can't survive on it's own. No nation can.

About Hillary Clinton... and "respect from the West". I never spoke on behalf of the West. I clearly said if China wants my respect then it would have to do those things. I'm glad you brought up respect from the West though. China may have it in some respects... but China is not on par with most modern nations when it comes to reputation.

Give it time, it was only 30 years ago that it had the same reputation as North Korea.

Why do we need more Chinese immigrants in the West?

I can't see it either... which is why it is likely I'll never respect China

First of all... Taiwan is for all intents and purposes, independent even if very few states officially recognise it as such. (Seperate military, system of government)

Second I wasn't talking about independence. I was talking about respecting the will of the Taiwanese. If Taiwan CHOOSES to become a part of China then that's their call.

Though I don't see why it would forego it's local democratic autonomy for an authoritarian central government.

I'm guessing your point is that the West's track record in Africa is not very good. You're absolutely right... I'm not making excuses for the West... you're making excuses for China though.

You're deluded.

China will continue to rise, but like every nation/empire, one day it will fall! But, considering China's history and it being the oldest liiving civilisation in the world, I'm sure this cycle will keep repeating.

Ronin4hire, luckily China doesn't need your respect ey!

Luckily? So you condone all China's actions?

And?

And?

Independent but rejected by almost all of the world. Just like Turkish part of the Cyprus.

You said "leave Taiwan alone". Wouldn't that be supporting independance?

Western style democracy = bad for Asia

See South Korea

But you have been a pro-West advocate from your posts. You are either:

1. really love the West
2. really hate China

there is no middle ground for you almost all the time... even though you said that you don't like the west, you wouldn't want to criticize the west with passion.

Lol! You made my day. Thanks. Another deluded UN-worker wannabe I encountered in my internet life. Man, kudos to you, UN cadre. :D

Luckily we don't need to consider Ronin4hire seriously thanks to his flamboyant posts. Sorry for everybody in this forum but this is how I think.

Hell no! If I had to agree with all the actions made by a country (or even person) for me to respect them, I wouldn't respect any!

I respect China for the simple reason that they ARE trying to improve (and they are doing so succesfuly).

Just making my point...

Really? Turkey/Cyprus is like China/Tibet... not China/Taiwan.

No... it means let the Taiwanese people decide what they want instead of insisting that they are a part of China, even though clearly they aren't.

South Korea seems to be doing just fine.

Not pro-West... Pro International liberalist (and not just economically speaking)

Was that necessary?

Of course. But still I love your very straight-forward attitude instead.

How are they trying to improve? Bear in mind I'm talking about the CCP... For the record I respect Chinese culture and traditions and whether or not I respect a Chinese person has nothing to do directly for being Chinese. (Of course if they're a Chinese nationalist then I would disrespect them for that)