I wouldn't call it ignorance. You make it sound like the North Koreans have the upper hand. They don't. America knows that it can ignore North Korea pretty much for the foreseeable future. An attack on the US or Japan or SK by North Korea will spell death for the NK regime.

The confrontational attitude works for the Americans and it's allies in upholding it's interests. The same for peace with Iran. There is nothing more to this.

Obama signed the stimulus package into law. So I do not think where talking about the same thing. Even so, he only signed on to it, mainly being the democrat bill not his. Also on the this whole "director cut" idea of a bill, I don't care for what changes that happen to a bill, they better will see to it that it is in the peoples interest. They are after all our ELECTED officials. Also the package was signed into law on FEB 17, 2009. One more thing it was 1100 pages. Might I add one of the main things Obama said he would show is transparency? Meaning that We the people should of had more then 12 hours to actually look at the bill online.

The house passed an 819 billion, which got toned done to 787 billion in the senate. it's not that no one had time to read it it's the fact that they gave no time to read it, and pretty much no one in congress has read the full thing. That's a serious problem.

LMAO i thought this was funny as hell.

MMM I dont know how you do it man. I am good friends with political science professor even though its been years since iv graduated. I sat him down last night and made him read this entire thread and his face said it alone.

His only comment "I fear for the future if this is what the next generation consist of"

I'm curious as to what he fears, did he say specifically or did he give an general broad term? that said I do hope he doesn't discount others opinions. Same as to conservatism too.

Your only mistakes were having not enough information and that you have a limited perspective for looking in a "American eye view". Americans don't know naturally about South Korea and they don't want to know about South Korea. Well, I'm not surprised from an American.

I'm not the one who is ignoring you. YOU are the one who is ignoring me by having a very limited perspective as your default view on this issue.

And you're underestimating North Korea's capacity to possibly kill 1/3 of South Korean population in a flash.

We just discussed this. Harping again like before? You are not helping yourself debating.

Interest? Not democracy, I say.

Being able to do it doesn't mean they will do it. Ronin4hire was right. If they attack any country, it's the end of North Korea's regime. Kim Jong Il isn't idiot. He knows that North Korea's military power is not enough to resist to any attack from South Korea, Japan or US. It would be the end of his regime.

How do you know Kim Jong-Il knows his military is not powerful enough? There's only varieties of estimate about his military force.

If North Korea will be attacked by some country, it WILL be 1/3 of death in South Korea.

Ronin is definitely wrong.

Look both komitsuki and Ronin are right. I hate playing devils advocate because I think its cheap but its warranted this time around. But the question comes down to does Kim Jong think he can pick a fight and WIN or will the international community show ever greater patience then it has already shown. Kim Jong is not stupid by any means a fact that has kept him in power this long, and in his mind his military maybe powerful enough to accomplish the goals he sets forth. In reality could his army withstand a combined assault from American, Japanese and S Korean forces i highly doubt it. The civilian casualties on both sides would be heartbreaking.

My belief is that a conflict will not happen. It has been discussed and debated over for years with nothing happening. N. Korea loves attention and Kim Jong knows how to get the world to look his way. I believe western forces know a great deal about his military capabilities do i think the west knows them all know. No country knows every little dirty military secret another country has hidden. The negatives far out weigh the positives to N. Korea picking a fight and imo Kim Jong knows this. Which is why he uses different tactics to gain what he wants from the west. N Korea stance is like that of cobra a cobra opens the folds on its sides and rears up to look more intimidating than it really is and more often than not it works.


I told myself i was not going to get involved in this discussion because certain people are involved but i really wanted to get this out.

"solemnclockwork"its nothing you said i have read your post and i find them rational and well thought out. My professor just thought a lot of the post show immaturity,shallow and narrow views of exactly how the world and the political system works. He says he fears for the future because he thinks most youngins don't have what it takes to lead in the world. He has been a professor for 40 years taught in many countries. I trust him more than i trust anyone when it comes political and world events he has seen a lot and been through a lot. When it comes to life experience and wisdom there is no substitute.

I ask myself have we really made any progress in the past 100 years. At the end of an argument such as this it always reverts back to nationality or race because your American because your Korean because your Japanese because youre Venezuelan. As this type of thinking persist i have no hope of the world actually working together or becoming more stable in my life time.

Because even America knows that just hypothetically conducting a war against North Korea will bring America no good for security and stability in that region.

America, at least, will never wage a conflict towards North Korea in this current situation. And people like Ronin4hire don't want to know this.

- People claiming that USA, South Korea, or Japan should make a plan to take over North Korea militarily are really idiots who ignorant about this issue.

- People looking at North Korea while disrespecting South Korea's perspective are disgraceful and should be barred from discussing about North Korea.

As a South Korean, these people should never discuss about North Korea ever again.

I hate North Korea as well and these kind of people are too dangerous.