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sakura77 06-20-2009 08:15 PM

Do you still want to buy Chinese products?
 
After watching video below, do you still want to buy Chinese products?
YouTube - China's Dog Holocausts
Only way for animal lovers to stop barbarity against our best friends in China is to boycott Chinese products.
Nothing else works.

Quailboy 06-20-2009 08:22 PM

I only watched a small amout of the video but enough to understand that what they are doing is wrong but it is the law and that if they didn't want thier dogs killed that theyshould have bought the outragous lisence.

I would still buy chinese products though, that has almost nothing to do with animal beatings in the country, I am not a member of PETA...

xYinniex 06-20-2009 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakura77 (Post 736053)
After watching video below, do you still want to buy Chinese products?
YouTube - China's Dog Holocausts
Only way for animal lovers to stop barbarity against our best friends in China is to boycott Chinese products.
Nothing else works
.

...are chinese products made of dog?

rison 06-20-2009 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 736113)
...are chinese products made of dog?

good question and nobody in right sense puts society morals first before buying products.

komitsuki 06-20-2009 09:35 PM

The American government and corproations have been the motivators of the Buy Chinese Products! campaign for so long.

sakura77 06-20-2009 10:38 PM

Type 'dangerous Chinese products' on search engine to find out truth.
There are so many articles written to alert about dangerous Chinese products but if people don't care about their safety and health, what can I say?
Did you check 'Red Alert! Boycott Made in China' ??
I have no trust on Chinese products.

MMM 06-20-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakura77 (Post 736194)
Type 'dangerous Chinese products' on search engine to find out truth.
There are so many articles written to alert about dangerous Chinese products but if people don't care about their safety and health, what can I say?
Did you check 'Red Alert! Boycott Made in China' ??
I have no trust on Chinese products.

You are now getting into a different issue than what this thread is about.

komitsuki 06-20-2009 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakura77 (Post 736194)
I have no trust on Chinese products.

Please keep it to yourself. I'm a poor liberal arts university student who can't afford any "luxurious" non-Chinese product anyways.

rison 06-20-2009 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 736136)
The American government and corproations have been the motivators of the Buy Chinese Products! campaign for so long.

true, with the huge debt owed to china....being solicitious wouldnt be a bad idea.

rison 06-20-2009 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 736199)
Please keep it to yourself. I'm a poor liberal arts university student who can't afford any "luxurious" non-Chinese product anyways.

haha, UK products are outrageously expensive,who wouldnt stick with china loads , lets ignore built-in obsolesence.

ozkai 06-21-2009 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 736199)
Please keep it to yourself. I'm a poor liberal arts university student who can't afford any "luxurious" non-Chinese product anyways.


Are you saying that you only buy Chinese products?
Do you consider Chinese made products as non "luxurious":confused:

komitsuki 06-21-2009 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 736549)
Are you saying that you only buy Chinese products?
Do you consider Chinese made products as non "luxurious":confused:

Just a simple intended generalization consider the OP started this thread very hectically.

But still, ζˆ‘ζ„›δΈ­εœ‹

Tenchu 06-21-2009 03:42 AM

I won't buy Chinese products, especially food. I mean, who remember that baby food scandal that kiled some kids and sickened so many more? I don't trust them to fry an egg for me now, frankly.

This dog thing; it is going too far. If the reason is rabies or disease, there are tests they can do to see if the dog is ill. What they're doing is little different than nuking Africa because so many have HIV.

komitsuki 06-21-2009 03:45 AM

In the 1950s and 1960s, people around the world had avoided Made in Japan products.
In the 1970s and 1980s, people around the world had avoided Made in Taiwan or South Korea products.
In the 1990s and 2000s, people around the world have avoided Made in China products.

I see an interesting pattern.

Tenchu 06-21-2009 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 736563)
In the 1950s and 1960s, people around the world had avoided Made in Japan products.
In the 1970s and 1980s, people around the world had avoided Made in Taiwan or South Korea products.
In the 1990s and 2000s, people around the world have avoided Made in China products.

I see an interesting pattern.

So what comes next? People avoid your posts?

komitsuki 06-21-2009 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 736565)
So what comes next? People avoid your posts?

Hold your horses. Too bad that my posts are not commodity products like you wish.

Tenchu 06-21-2009 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 736567)
Hold your horses. Too bad that my posts are not commodity products like you wish.

And what is a commodity product you know I buy?

Sangetsu 06-21-2009 04:56 AM

The dogs don't have it much worse than the people. I do not, and never have bought Chinese products. Not one piece of clothing nor single pair of shoes in my closet is made in China. I look at the label of every item I buy, and I will not buy anything that says "Made in China" ever, no matter what the brand name, price, or quality.

Here in Japan a pair of Chinese made New Balance shoes is about $50, a pair of US made New Balance shoes is $200. I happily spent the $200. I would rather my money went to pay American workers who work 40 hours a week for $10 an hour rather than to pay Chinese workers who get 10 cents an hour and work 70 hours a week.

I don't avoid Chinese products because of cruelty to dogs or people, I buy things made in my country because it is the right thing to do. The money I spend on American (or Japanese, since I now live in Japan) products goes to my neighbors, and they use that money to buy goods and services which myself and other neighbors may provide.

Anyone who complains about America outsourcing jobs to other countries while wearing Nike shoes made in China should keep his hypocritical mouth shut.

SaintKat 06-21-2009 05:41 AM

I tend to avoid buying stuff that says Made in China simply because in past experiences the quality of the items I got were terrible.

It had nothing to do with animal abuse, which is a global problem.
:confused:

Tenchu 06-21-2009 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 736577)
Here in Japan a pair of Chinese made New Balance shoes is about $50, a pair of US made New Balance shoes is $200. I happily spent the $200. I would rather my money went to pay American workers who work 40 hours a week for $10 an hour rather than to pay Chinese workers who get 10 cents an hour and work 70 hours a week.

How is putting them out of work going to fix any problems? I can understand if you dislike Chinese policy and won't by their clothes, but the reason you give here is pretty retarded.

China does not have slave labour. The people work these jobs because it is the best or only work they can find. The thought of people not buying their products would dishearten them even further. Boycotting Chinese products may have a good political impact in the end, but the negative side effect is a lot of poor people are going to be out of work, and you think this is a good thing?

Also, it is more like a 120 hour week, but with about 40 cents per hour. I know, my wife used to make cheap underwear in a Thai sweatshop.

sakura77 06-21-2009 01:01 PM

How many children got hurt by playing with made in China toys?
How many our companion animals died by eating pet food contained Chinese products?
How about tooth paste, fan, heater, and many other inferior products made in China?
Did you type 'dangerous Made in China Products' on search engine to learn about products from China??
There is reasons for cheap prices on Made in China products.
1. most civilized educated people boycott Made in China products.
2. Made in China products are inferior and most of them are dangerous.

Before you argue with me, do your research and type 'dangerous Made in China products' on search engine.
I signed almost all petitons on 'Boycott Chinese products' because I am so sicken about atrocities against animals and people in China.
There is no law to protect animals and unborn babies in China and no existing of human rights!
I blame on Chinese government for atrocities in China because government officials are allowing sickening atrocities to continue and not doing anything to stop shameful crimes.

P.S.

Type 'Unmadeinchina.org' to inform you about Made in China products.

Reavyn 06-21-2009 01:32 PM

So you are saying you don't own a single thing made in China?

Shanis 06-21-2009 02:03 PM

In germany was a test in which ppl tried to live without products from china, so the use of any product with "Made in China" was forbidden. The result was that they lifed like amish (armish?) ppl. They didn't have any tv, radio, pc, notebook etc. For them daily life was very complicated. But to answer you question, no I don't want to buy products from china, at least not so many, but I have no other choice cause so many products are already produced in china.

xYinniex 06-21-2009 04:26 PM

Dear OP

did it occur to you, this is a JAPAN-forum?

Fine boycott all you want, Im not. I like my clothes made in China, I like my makeup made in China. heck I like food made in China. It's common sense to look at the quality before you buy anyways?

Why the hell are you buying CHINESE pet food, when home-grown pet food is probably cheaper?

noodle 06-21-2009 05:06 PM

:cool: Why blame China for this? Not so long ago, Japan was in the same position, anything made in Japan was cheap...

You do realise that China is just the middle man in this right? The companies are to be blamed.

Lets take an aircraft company for example;
An engineer designs a new Boeing aircraft, asks China to build it. China builds it, sends it back to Boeing. Aeroplane goes up and crashes down. EVERYTHING is Boeing's fault... It could be that the Engineer made a mistake in the design, which is 100% Boeings fault... If China screwed up and made a mistake in building the aircraft, its also Boeings fault for not checking the product they got. Afterall, it IS boeing that gurantees the safety of the aeroplane, just as it is the toys (and everything else) company that gurantees their product.


So basically, get over yourself... Blame whatever company that sold the faulty products, not the country that made it. Your countries economy simply wont work without cheap foreign labour. Cheap labour generally means cheap quality, so live with it or get rich and buy Made in England, France, Switzerland or whatever ;) Watch out though, you wont be able to use things like your mobile phones, PC's, microwaves etc etc... Welcome back to the stone age :D

JackIsLost 06-21-2009 05:25 PM

how china treats their animals is all up to them. they have a different mindset than americans do. you can't expect to change the way they think of animals because YOU think china is bad.
here's an example, in india a cow is holy. they will not slaughter a cow. if they decided that americans slaughtering cows was barbaric and told us not to slaughter anymore, will we stop? HELL NO, killing cows are awesome.

Aniki 06-21-2009 05:43 PM

Don't encourage the OP, or else well have another thread telling us not slaughter cows.

Kyousuke 06-21-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakura77 (Post 736053)
After watching video below, do you still want to buy Chinese products?
YouTube - China's Dog Holocausts
Only way for animal lovers to stop barbarity against our best friends in China is to boycott Chinese products.
Nothing else works.

you do realize that over population of animals can lead to diseases. i love animals but im an environmentalist first. if you allow the pet population to grow it causes a problem. all those animals end up starving to death, getting gassed, or hit by cars. are we much more different than the chinese? the only difference is that we dont let people see it. ive seen a dog hanging from a ladder with its head cut off, right here in america. werent we the ones who used dogs in WW2 to take out tanks by rigging them with explosives and setting it off when it reached a tank? solve the problem here before you solve another persons problem.

YouTube - All God's Creatures - *Warning, Graphic Images*

why not look watch this wholesome american video and see if you think the chinese government are still bad people. chinese citizens fight to save their pets, but american citizens treat them like shit.

sakura77 06-21-2009 07:12 PM

JackIsLost, here is how you think.
>>how china treats their animals is all up to them. they have a different mindset than americans do. you can't expect to change the way they think of animals because YOU think china is bad. <<

Do you feel same way about children who were physically tortured by their parents?


When innocent defenseless animals are tortured to death, it is business of civilized people with clear conscience and not speaking against brutality, you are indirectly supporting barbarity.

rison 06-21-2009 08:47 PM

Simple fact it is the fastest growing economy currently despite global Crunch.In 10 years,quote me, China will be the strongest in the world.So Whether you like China's products or not, you cant change fate.

DJnohara 06-21-2009 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xYinniex (Post 736113)
...are chinese products made of dog?

Good question.

I say screw that, I really like stuff from China. I wish people would stop picking on them and just worry about their own problems.

JackIsLost 06-21-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakura77 (Post 736734)
JackIsLost, here is how you think.
>>how china treats their animals is all up to them. they have a different mindset than americans do. you can't expect to change the way they think of animals because YOU think china is bad. <<

Do you feel same way about children who were physically tortured by their parents?


When innocent defenseless animals are tortured to death, it is business of civilized people with clear conscience and not speaking against brutality, you are indirectly supporting barbarity.

i never said how i personally felt about animal abuse, i myself love animals. abuse to dogs make me sad when i see it, as i always imagine that it could have been my own dog.
i was simply stating that different people have a different concept in animal abuse and what is right. we cannot simply change their mindset about animal abuse because we as americans love them and protect them.
don't blindly assume that i support animal abuse, do not blindly assume that i support child abuse. do not pick a fight with me by reading in between the lines. why would you even assume such nonsense?

Tenchu 06-22-2009 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakura77 (Post 736669)
Type 'Unmadeinchina.org' to inform you about Made in China products.

Take a look at this:



I got it from unmadeinchina.org.

How can you take a site with a picture like that seriously? Of course America wants a boycott of Chinese products because they're being so quickly overtaken in the world... I just never would have guessed it could be written so clearly.

Chinese products are not really inferior; they're usually priced so you get what you pay for. The only stupidity is the morons who buy something dirt cheap and then try and compare it with an expensive Japanese product and try to say it's inferior...

In the end, a lot of Asians treat animals like shit. I don't think it is a different culture, I think it is a lack of intelligence. People who do it are usually pretty stupid and shallow.

About the worst thing I've seen in Thailand was frogs skinned alive and put on a market bench for sale whilst skinned and still alive. But the people doing it and buying them were so stupid they were almost close to retarded. There really isn't much you can do to "cure" stupidity, but I fail to see how the OP sinking to their own level is really going to fix anything.

Reavyn 06-22-2009 03:30 AM

You can't really point out one country in the world that is cruel to animals. There are people in every country that are. In America, we may not eat some of these animals, but there are a lot of people that treat them very badly. Don't generalize countries by the actions of a few.

noodle 06-22-2009 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reavyn (Post 736911)
You can't really point out one country in the world that is cruel to animals. There are people in every country that are. In America, we may not eat some of these animals, but there are a lot of people that treat them very badly. Don't generalize countries by the actions of a few.

Short but very true... heck even Britain has RSPCA, and they're very busy which only tell me that there is a lot of animal cruelty in Britain... Rather than blaiming "China", I think you should blame the minority and then just suggest having a foundation like RSPCA

komitsuki 06-22-2009 09:06 AM

Here's a nice article for thought

The myth of "Made in China" | The Argument

Sinestra 06-23-2009 11:53 PM

Please dont encourage the OP for fear of another thread being opened. The best way is to be informed about what products are bad and what products are good and safe. You get what you pay for if you buy something at a cheap price dont expect it to last for 100 years the quality is of course is going to inferior and probably not as safe as say a current Japanese product.

I try to do a healthy balance of Chinese made products and American products but the fact is America has outsourced its labor and China is currently dominated by Cheap labor. Am I pissed that this has happened of course but that discussion is for another time.

Bottom line buy Chinese products if you want they may be safe they may not be safe do the research first. If you dont want to buy Chinese products and pay a higher price for quality then so be it i sometimes do this if i can afford it. It does not make the China a bad country their Q/C needs some work and their corruption needs to be brought under control. Im not saying i like all Chinese products and im not saying i hate them all some can very good but things like the baby forumla scandle sickened me because these were babies and they died for another persons greed (hence my comment about corruption)

Like it or not their economy is growing at a very face pace and it will continue to climb. However if they dont manage their infenstructure wisely and spend their surplus wisely it will come crumbling down. No one stays on top forever not American not Japan and nor will the Chinese let us not forget India is becoming a powerhouse in its own right.

Sinestra 06-23-2009 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sangetsu (Post 736577)
The dogs don't have it much worse than the people. I do not, and never have bought Chinese products. Not one piece of clothing nor single pair of shoes in my closet is made in China. I look at the label of every item I buy, and I will not buy anything that says "Made in China" ever, no matter what the brand name, price, or quality.

Here in Japan a pair of Chinese made New Balance shoes is about $50, a pair of US made New Balance shoes is $200. I happily spent the $200. I would rather my money went to pay American workers who work 40 hours a week for $10 an hour rather than to pay Chinese workers who get 10 cents an hour and work 70 hours a week.

I don't avoid Chinese products because of cruelty to dogs or people, I buy things made in my country because it is the right thing to do. The money I spend on American (or Japanese, since I now live in Japan) products goes to my neighbors, and they use that money to buy goods and services which myself and other neighbors may provide.

Anyone who complains about America outsourcing jobs to other countries while wearing Nike shoes made in China should keep his hypocritical mouth shut.


Out all the post in here I respected Sangetsu's post the most it was honest and straightforward this is how he feels and he acts and buys accordingly.

xYinniex 06-24-2009 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinestra (Post 737721)

It does not make the China a bad country their Q/C needs some work and their corruption needs to be brought under control.

as does america's, and britain's. e.g: politicians and tax claims. =)
the whole world needs to take control of its corruption.

WE SHOULD BOYCOTT THE ENTIREEE WORLLDDD:D


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