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hyuga666 12-09-2009 09:06 PM

japanese symbols for death
 
hi there,
I was wondering if someone knows some other japanese symbols for death, besides falling cherry blossoms. thx for ur help!

MMM 12-09-2009 09:16 PM

I don't think falling cherry blossoms represent death in Japanese eyes, as much as fragile and temporary state of beauty. The final flower on the tree can be seen as "death" but the falling cherry blossoms have a happy and beautiful image.

Death is seen in the number 4, crows, Chrysanthemums...

RobinMask 12-09-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787655)
hi there,
I was wondering if someone knows some other japanese symbols for death, besides falling cherry blossoms. thx for ur help!

The number '4' is symbolic of death. Same way '13' in our culture is said to be unucky.

hyuga666 12-09-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 787660)
I don't think falling cherry blossoms represent death in Japanese eyes, as much as fragile and temporary state of beauty. The final flower on the tree can be seen as "death" but the falling cherry blossoms have a happy and beautiful image.

Death is seen in the number 4, crows, Chrysanthemums...

yeah I knew about the number 4... same as avoiding 4 colors in food or sticking chopsticks into rice... but thank you for the tip with the chrysanthemums!

hyuga666 12-09-2009 10:41 PM

does somebody know some other symbols besides the ones already mentioned?

MMM 12-09-2009 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787704)
does somebody know some other symbols besides the ones already mentioned?

What is this for?

hyuga666 12-09-2009 10:55 PM

well, it's actually for my next tattoo session :marusmile:

Salvanas 12-09-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787714)
well, it's actually for my next tattoo session :marusmile:

I believe MMM's signature sums this all up for me.

MMM 12-09-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787714)
well, it's actually for my next tattoo session :marusmile:

Can you give more details? Please tell me you are not including the kanji for death.

hyuga666 12-09-2009 11:26 PM

nope, I am not considering to include a kanji. that would be kinda lame.

hyuga666 12-09-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 787716)


I believe MMM's signature sums this all up for me.

umn ok... do you want to elucidate that mr. smartypants?

MMM 12-09-2009 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787727)
nope, I am not considering to include a kanji. that would be kinda lame.

At least you know that much.

It sounds like it might be a yakuza-style tattoo.

I probably don't need to tell you that this would be bit of a red flag to any Japanese you might meet.

jesselt 12-09-2009 11:35 PM

So a tattoo with the number four, some chrysanthemums, and chopsticks sticking out of rice?

I don't get it.

Salvanas 12-09-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787729)
umn ok... do you want to elucidate that mr. smartypants?

Sounds like to me you want a tattoo in a symbol that has the meaning of death in Japan.

That's;

A: Stupid
B: Disrespectful to the Japanese.
C: Foolish

hyuga666 12-09-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 787733)
At least you know that much.

It sounds like it might be a yakuza-style tattoo.

I probably don't need to tell you that this would be bit of a red flag to any Japanese you might meet.

I'm quite aware that when you have a sleeved arm, be it in old school western tattoo-style or traditional japanese, you might be considered as offensive or reminiscent of yakuza thugs when walking around in nippon or visiting an onsen. yet as far as I know, tats are getting more and more accepted there these days.

hyuga666 12-09-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jesselt (Post 787734)
So a tattoo with the number four, some chrysanthemums, and chopsticks sticking out of rice?

I don't get it.

yeah, that'd be purrfect!! :happybunny:

hyuga666 12-09-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 787735)


Sounds like to me you want a tattoo in a symbol that has the meaning of death in Japan.

That's;

A: Stupid
B: Disrespectful to the Japanese.
C: Foolish


A: why do you think that is stupid? death is all, but definitely not "stupid".
B: as I said before, to the older generation, tats seem offensive. but the japanese are getting more tolerant for this form of art.
C: maybe you are thinking of tats as foolish, well that is not my business. perhaps you have some shitty tribal on your shoulder and that is the reason why you're so pissed.

MMM 12-10-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787738)
I'm quite aware that when you have a sleaved arm, be it in old school western tattoo-style or traditional japanese, you might be considered as offensive or reminiscent of yakuza thugs when walking around in nippon or visiting an onsen. yet as far as I know, tats are getting more and more accepted there these days.

I think western-style tattoos are getting more accepted there among young people, but you still cannot get into onsens.

However, for the older generation tattoos are seen as disrespectful to one's parents. The body they give you is marked up with graffiti.

On top of that you are purposely choosing images that represent death. This is the same as saying "I want to die" as it could be seen as a death with. You are tempting fate. Another big red flag.

But what you do is your choice, I just thought you should know as much as you can before going under the needle.

Salvanas 12-10-2009 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hyuga666 (Post 787741)
A: why do you think that is stupid? death is all, but definitely not "stupid".
B: as I said before, to the older generation, tats seem offensive. but the japanese are getting more tolerant for this form of art.
C: maybe you are thinking of tats as foolish, well that is not my business. perhaps you have some shitty tribal on your shoulder and that is the reason why you're so pissed.

OH dear. The ignorance is thick in this one.

Tolerant or not, it's still disrespectful to their culture. It's a foolish thing to do, because you're taking something that signifies DEATH to a culture, and printing that onto your body.

It's got nothing to do with me having a tattoo, I haven't even got one. And I could care less if people have one or not. As long as it isn't something like what you're doing.

Stop being a twit now.

hyuga666 12-10-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 787745)
I think western-style tattoos are getting more accepted there among young people, but you still cannot get into onsens.

However, for the older generation tattoos are seen as disrespectful to one's parents. The body they give you is marked up with graffiti.

On top of that you are purposely choosing images that represent death. This is the same as saying "I want to die" as it could be seen as a death with. You are tempting fate. Another big red flag.

But what you do is your choice, I just thought you should know as much as you can before going under the needle.

I believe that goes for most parents in western countries too... back in their days, tats were some kind of stigma for jailbirds. but this has changed since the 1990s, and the same development has at least started in nippon as far as I know. the recently published book "tattoo in japan" (from 2008) shows a lot of young artists who are getting more aware of the traditional tattooing as a national heritage... its kinda interesting.
I do not want to say "I wanna die", I only want some complement to the rest of my arm, that is tattooed in a rather life-affirming style.

MMM 12-10-2009 12:13 AM

Discuss...don't bicker.

hyuga666 12-10-2009 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 787746)


OH dear. The ignorance is thick in this one.

Tolerant or not, it's still disrespectful to their culture. It's a foolish thing to do, because you're taking something that signifies DEATH to a culture, and printing that onto your body.

It's got nothing to do with me having a tattoo, I haven't even got one. And I could care less if people have one or not. As long as it isn't something like what you're doing.

Stop being a twit now.


why do you slander me as ignorant, and why are you tying to taboo death? that is what most people do, and I don't want to talk in platitudes, but it IS a part of life. it is even disrespectful if you ink a harmless koi on your body in nippon, yet what do you thing all the severed geisha heads and hanya masks are standing for? it is a mandatory part of that culture, which is not accepted by some as a whole.

JayT 12-10-2009 12:27 AM

It is such a big part of that culture.
Well are you even Japanese?

hyuga666 12-10-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JayT (Post 787757)
It is such a big part of that culture.
Well are you even Japanese?

who, me? nope I'm a kraut! hahaha
I think so too. but I don't want to get a hanya mask, I'm trying to find some inspiration for something more original...

JayT 12-10-2009 12:36 AM

I would say google is more help,
I've never seen a picture of anyone on this forum with a tattoo anyway.

Besides the tribal on Salvs shoulder that is..

hyuga666 12-10-2009 12:42 AM

really? well, for example, I didn't know about the chrysanthemes as symbols for death, and now I get it why there are so many tats with this flower xD

NanteNa 12-10-2009 12:47 AM

Well if we can do anything as long as it doesn't offend ourselves - then I'm TOTALLY getting one of the Mohammed Drawings on my butt cheek. My local pizza guy is gonna LOOOOVE me for that one <3

hyuga666 12-10-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 787774)
Well if we can do anything as long as it doesn't offend ourselves - then I'm TOTALLY getting one of the Mohammed Drawings on my butt cheek. My local pizza guy is gonna LOOOOVE me for that one <3

as long as it's nicely done... why not xD

JayT 12-10-2009 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 787774)
Well if we can do anything as long as it doesn't offend ourselves - then I'm TOTALLY getting one of the Mohammed Drawings on my butt cheek. My local pizza guy is gonna LOOOOVE me for that one <3

Get a tattoo and tell me how it feels D:

NanteNa 12-10-2009 12:59 AM

Hahaha! I doubt it's gonna be like an orgasm, so don't expect it to be pleasant, Jay : P

JayT 12-10-2009 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 787785)
Hahaha! I doubt it's gonna be like an orgasm, so don't expect it to be pleasant, Jay : P

Well of course not, thus the 'D:' face!
If I thought it would be nice, I would've so used the ': D' face :/
Who knows, maybe one of these days I'll pop up in face with a tattoo =O

NanteNa 12-10-2009 01:04 AM

In face? : O omg.. And srsly.. if u ever get a tattoo.. don't get one of those lame ones that look like a birth certificate.. If you need your personal data TATTOOED on you.. it's time for an Alzheimers checkup.. >_>

JayT 12-10-2009 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 787790)
In face? : O omg.. And srsly.. if u ever get a tattoo.. don't get one of those lame ones that look like a birth certificate.. If you need your personal data TATTOOED on you.. it's time for an Alzheimers checkup.. >_>

In *facer D: My R seemed to disappear, I guess it was scared of you :|
LOL are you kidding? God, I thought it would be a bit more obvious that I was slightly a bit more creative than that? Come on now D:

NanteNa 12-10-2009 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JayT (Post 787800)
In *facer D: My R seemed to disappear, I guess it was scared of you :|
LOL are you kidding? God, I thought it would be a bit more obvious that I was slightly a bit more creative than that? Come on now D:

Hahah! Yeah maybe.. I do tend to frighten the 'RRRRRR's xD
Hahah! No I'm not kiddin' : P U better not be an Aznnn TEEeeEniiY BoPp£Rrr.. cause if you are... I will molest you.. with 'shi'-tattoo. And I don't really know you.. >_>'' So how am I to know? You seem to be expecting quite a lot from me, man..

JayT 12-10-2009 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NanteNa (Post 787806)
Hahah! Yeah maybe.. I do tend to frighten the 'RRRRRR's xD
Hahah! No I'm not kiddin' : P U better not be an Aznnn TEEeeEniiY BoPp£Rrr.. cause if you are... I will molest you.. with 'shi'-tattoo. And I don't really know you.. >_>'' So how am I to know? You seem to be expecting quite a lot from me, man..

Well, because! Because I take interesting photos with creative lighting!
Therefore I can't be an AzN TeEny BopPp3r!
It would definitely be something creative, I strive to be artistic D:
No molesting will be taken place on my watch!


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