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ranmyaku 04-30-2010 07:54 AM

My wife (Japanese) gets pissed (like super pissed) at me if I forget and put my feet up on the coffee table while I'm watching TV. The coffee table (in our house) is where we eat dinner. That was a hard habit to break. I did it once when the mother-in-law came to visit when we were still dating. lol.

Nyororin 04-30-2010 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonybard (Post 810171)
WTF?! Who even does that?! This is one of the few instances where I've been enraged by Japan(because they act like they are the only ones who do this, know this, or thinks that way).

Err...
I don`t think it is Japan that is saying that they think this way - it`s the specific place where you read that. My husband will fold laundry and sit socks on the table to sort them... And the other clothes up on other furniture as they are folded to get them out of the way.

Are you sure it wasn`t about socks while still on feet? Because I know a LOT of people outside Japan who think it`s perfectly okay to stick their socked feet up on the table. (Not a dining table with chairs - think the low tables people sit around on the floor to eat) These same people wouldn`t do it with bare feet or with shoes on, but seem to have no qualms if they have socks on. I would guess that is what the passage is about.

spoonybard 04-30-2010 02:25 PM

No, he said that you couldn't fold clean socks on the dinner table, because since they were covering the feet and feet are used for walking(XD), even if they were just washed they were still viewed as dirty.

dirtyroboto 04-30-2010 02:44 PM

Tatami are very expensive and very delicate. You should not even wear slippers on tatami.
But before you can even make that mistake you will leave your shoes at the door. Man, you can stick 100 chopsticks in your rice and you won't even get close to the offence you will cause by keeping your shoes on. You would cause less offence by arriving naked!

Footware is a part of the earth elemental and is not allowed into the house beyond the front door. This space (where you find shoes) is considered a meeting point between outside and inside. The inside of a persons house/apartment/room is required to be clean (spiritually) less you invite bad energy upon yourself, Shoe's can pick up all sorts of bad shit (energy) and transfer this to your lovely space. Wood and straw (tatami) are very good at taking this bad energy up, and as most Japanese houses have woodern flooring and sometimes tatami it is required that you not contaminate a persons home with bad energy.

TalnSG 04-30-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtyroboto (Post 810375)
Footware is a part of the earth elemental and is not allowed into the house beyond the front door. This space (where you find shoes) is considered a meeting point between outside and inside. The inside of a persons house/apartment/room is required to be clean (spiritually) less you invite bad energy upon yourself, Shoe's can pick up all sorts of bad shit (energy) and transfer this to your lovely space. Wood and straw (tatami) are very good at taking this bad energy up, and as most Japanese houses have woodern flooring and sometimes tatami it is required that you not contaminate a persons home with bad energy.

Thanks for adding that. At the time I posted I could not quite get my wording about that aspect clear without getting way to pedantic.

manganimefan227 04-30-2010 10:14 PM

I'm never going to let people walk with shoes ( In my future house), I just met some transparent possums, they don't exactly like shoe punches. The next thing you know, you'll start to hear evil laughter . . .and it goes down hill from there . . .

Nyororin 05-01-2010 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyroboto (Post 810375)
Footware is a part of the earth elemental and is not allowed into the house beyond the front door. This space (where you find shoes) is considered a meeting point between outside and inside. The inside of a persons house/apartment/room is required to be clean (spiritually) less you invite bad energy upon yourself, Shoe's can pick up all sorts of bad shit (energy) and transfer this to your lovely space. Wood and straw (tatami) are very good at taking this bad energy up, and as most Japanese houses have woodern flooring and sometimes tatami it is required that you not contaminate a persons home with bad energy.

That sounds all nice and poetic, but if you actually ask anyone they just say it`s because it is dirty and will screw the floors up. :mtongue: Normal people don`t have any sort of mysticism attached to it - it`s just something you don`t do.

dirtyroboto 05-01-2010 02:18 PM

Like in the west, people don't open umberellas in the house but it's no big deal in Japan.
In the west people have forgotten why you don't open them in the house. It dates back to gas lighting and women's fashion of carrying a lace umbrella (for sun protection) and extending this to an indoor accessory. They soon found out the hard way that naked flame and lace do not mix.

Japanese who own dogs NEVER let the dog on tatami. and normally wash the dogs feet before letting it down on the floor. My friend lets her pooch into the garden then has to carry it to the shower to wash it's paws before it is allowed onto the floor. This happens alot.

There is also a long forgotten custom in Japan that you must never touch your pillow with your feet. Doing so, even brushing it slightly while moving it requires that you touch the pillow to your forehead three times while reciting a mantra.

manganimefan227 05-01-2010 05:02 PM

XD That sounds fun! (The pillowd thing)

Nyororin 05-02-2010 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyroboto (Post 810471)
Japanese who own dogs NEVER let the dog on tatami. and normally wash the dogs feet before letting it down on the floor. My friend lets her pooch into the garden then has to carry it to the shower to wash it's paws before it is allowed onto the floor. This happens alot.

I agree with you on the washing of the feet - they even sell disposable wipes so that you can wipe the feet off on coming inside... But EVERY Japanese I know with a dog/dogs lets them on to the tatami. They don`t shut them in a tatami room (because they tend to dig at the corners it seems) - but I have yet to meet someone who didn`t let their dog on to the tatami. In fact, our upstairs neighbor has all the dog beds lined up in the only tatami room. (They have 3 small dogs)

Ryzorian 05-04-2010 12:19 AM

Depends on personal preference, culturally speaking. I will take them off as a matter of politeness, since you can't be too polite. In my home though I keep them on, it's my house after all.

manganimefan227 05-04-2010 02:59 AM

I honestly ussally take them off so that my toes can talk amongst themselves.

Or atleast Chuck Norris said they do . . .

clintjm 05-04-2010 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by manganimefan227 (Post 810772)
I honestly ussally take them off so that my toes can talk amongst themselves.

Or atleast Chuck Norris said they do . . .

Chuck Norris is usually right. It is always best to do what Chuck says.

manganimefan227 05-04-2010 11:54 PM

Exactly why I'm doing it now. :p+

amandabenami 05-05-2010 05:34 AM

in asian countries like japan, korea, the philippines, removing shoes is a sign of respect to the house owner. Honestly this is a nice practice, i just don't think if it is acceptable to western countries.

manganimefan227 05-05-2010 10:47 PM

Not unacceptable, just, not, practiced.

Zenzen 05-06-2010 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 809364)
It's kind of hard to summarize Americans as a single culture, but, yes, I guess they do generally leave their shoes on. Unless maybe they're Japanese-American or Norwegian-American, etc., etc. :)

That is true, but as an American, I also take my shoes off at the front door. Though I see what you mean. It just depends on the family in America.

amandabenami 05-12-2010 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Zenzen (Post 811066)
That is true, but as an American, I also take my shoes off at the front door. Though I see what you mean. It just depends on the family in America.

well its a good thing that you are practicing such trait. You are becoming part asian :) . Speaking of becoming asian, sometimes there are some asian traits which are more civilized compared to american practices. I mean only a few.

seiki 05-12-2010 04:18 PM

We take off our shoes when we enter our house. I would not be 100% sure it was strictly asian. Many people I know from palestine are very adamant about removing shoes before entering homes.

PockyMePink 05-12-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by amandabenami (Post 811763)
well its a good thing that you are practicing such trait. You are becoming part asian :) . Speaking of becoming asian, sometimes there are some asian traits which are more civilized compared to american practices. I mean only a few.

You can't "become Asian".
Ever.
Unless you zap yourself into a Sci-Fi world where you can mutate your already existing DNA. But would we really use such an amazing ability just to make ourselves Asian? That would hardly be worth it.

There are also American practices that are more civilized compared to Asian practices. Most cultures today are equally as civilized as the next.

manganimefan227 05-12-2010 11:39 PM

Hooray for Civilness!

amandabenami 05-19-2010 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PockyMePink (Post 811833)
You can't "become Asian".
Ever.
Unless you zap yourself into a Sci-Fi world where you can mutate your already existing DNA. But would we really use such an amazing ability just to make ourselves Asian? That would hardly be worth it.

There are also American practices that are more civilized compared to Asian practices. Most cultures today are equally as civilized as the next.

i said that the he's becoming "part asian" i quote part. and with regards to the civilized trait i said "a few"

yeah most cultures today are equally civilized.

ishikawa 06-09-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielSheen (Post 809350)
I live in Canada. Everyone takes off their shoes off at the door. I always thought that was normal for every country. Its often mentioned that in "Japan they want you to take off shoes at the door". Its mentioned as if thats soooo weird.

Is there even a country where this is not custom? It seems strange to even think that somewhere out there someone would actually let someone walk around in shoes , getting floors all dirty.

Hey. That's cool. Canada does it as well. xD

I was raised on that since I live here in Hawaii and the Japanese immigrants working for plantation introduced it and it became a normal culture thing and being polite.

But yes. US for example. Mainland. Not everybody, depending on your culture but yeah. It does gross me out on the, you're getting everything dirty. DX

Or taking a shower in the morning. That's also gross.

Shizu 06-29-2010 08:22 PM

It's an interesting thread, because for example, I live in a small country in the middle of Europe...
And in my whole family, this is obvious to take off your shoes when you enter someone's house. Next to the door we have a small carpet where you take off them, and after that you leave there or we put them into a small ... armoire (?? I don't know the right word).

We usually do this in my whole family, and most of my friends' family, but we are not Japanese...

So I think this isn't only Japanese 'thing' :rolleyes:


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