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JTM 09-02-2010 03:32 AM

ネット極右 (Net Far Right) Japanese Racist Fanatics
 
The NY Times recently ran an article on the ultra-nationalist group calling themselves the ネット極右 (Net Kyoku/Net Far Right) whose members have been harassing various foreigners and spreading their racist messages of intolerance and hate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/wo...a/29japan.html

Definitely a very scary group of Right-Wingers who seem to be exploiting the internet to coordinate their rallies and target individuals. You'd think these guys would have something better to do than scapegoating foreigners for all the social/economic problems facing Japan.

Ronin4hire 09-02-2010 04:08 AM

Scary group of right wingers?

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Though some here compare these groups to neo-Nazis, sociologists say that they are different because they lack an aggressive ideology of racial supremacy, and have so far been careful to draw the line at violence. There have been no reports of injuries, or violence beyond pushing and shouting. Rather, the Net right’s main purpose seems to be venting frustration, both about Japan’s diminished stature and in their own personal economic difficulties.
They dont sound all that scary to me.

Also... I kinda agree with them on the Korean school issue though maybe not for the same reasons.

In Japan there are many so called Korean schools. However most arent schools like we have in the west where it is simply a place where the language of the country can be used, these schools teach North Korean facist ideology to the students. They have pictures of Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung on their classroom walls etc.

MMM 09-02-2010 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 827103)
Scary group of right wingers?



They dont sound all that scary to me.

Also... I kinda agree with them on the Korean school issue though maybe not for the same reasons.

In Japan there are many so called Korean schools. However most arent schools like we have in the west where it is simply a place where the language of the country can be used, these schools teach North Korean facist ideology to the students. They have pictures of Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung on their classroom walls etc.

I have never heard that before. Do you have any links giving more detail.

I agreee they don't sound like anything new. Right-wing, anti-foreigner groups have been around for decades...all bark, little bite.

Ronin4hire 09-02-2010 06:56 AM

Here you go MMM

YouTube - North Korea's Lifeline - Japan

Chongryon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nyororin 09-02-2010 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 827112)
I have never heard that before. Do you have any links giving more detail.

Here you go.

ETA; Ronin got the links to you first. :)
He was right on about the description - they are well known to teach North Korean ideals and Japan hate... Which puts a lot of the students in a very painful place as they live in Japan and are surrounded by Japanese people.
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To add - they are talking about 2ch. They bring up the Halloween thing as if it was just people dressed up and being harassed - it was the "block the train from normal people and have a huge drunken party on it" thing that was protested. Even *I* would have gone to protest it.

MMM 09-02-2010 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 827117)
Here you go.

ETA; Ronin got the links to you first. :)
He was right on about the description - they are well known to teach North Korean ideals and Japan hate... Which puts a lot of the students in a very painful place as they live in Japan and are surrounded by Japanese people.
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To add - they are talking about 2ch. They bring up the Halloween thing as if it was just people dressed up and being harassed - it was the "block the train from normal people and have a huge drunken party on it" thing that was protested. Even *I* would have gone to protest it.

Thanks for the links, guys. This is a new one for me.

I know on the Tokyo and Osaka loop lines there were Halloween parties by foreigners who would ride the loops and get off at certain exits at certain times...reassemble and ride the trains. I know a guy who participated in the Osaka ride for at least 10 years, but it sounds like it is now over as of last year or so. to be honest it isn't anything i would ever participate in, but as I understand it, it was never about blocking anyone from riding a train. It was supposed to be a good natured fun. If it wasn't, then maybe the protesters have a point. (I do know as many japanese participated in the Osaka ride as foreigners.)

Nyororin 09-02-2010 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 827118)
I know on the Tokyo and Osaka loop lines there were Halloween parties by foreigners who would ride the loops and get off at certain exits at certain times...reassemble and ride the trains. I know a guy who participated in the Osaka ride for at least 10 years, but it sounds like it is now over as of last year or so. to be honest it isn't anything i would ever participate in, but as I understand it, it was never about blocking anyone from riding a train. It was supposed to be a good natured fun. If it wasn't, then maybe the protesters have a point. (I do know as many japanese participated in the Osaka ride as foreigners.)

I don`t know anything about the Osaka one, but there were a LOT of issues with the Tokyo one. Was it started as and intended to block people from riding on the trains? No - but that is what it ended up doing. Eikaiwa teachers who wanted to get dead drunk and party apparently ruined the whole thing.
I wish I could find the Japanese thread that I read elsewhere about it back right after it happened, but there were quite a few stories of people being flat out accosted and shoved out of the cars. That big drunk guys would let the cute girls on, and shove the businessmen away from the doors, etc. There were also a lot of talk about groping getting way out of hand, and just general misbehaving and tearing up of the trains by people who thought it was hilarious that they had "gaijin power" and that the train operators couldn`t really do much to them.

The following year there were protests. This did not surprise me.

MMM 09-02-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 827123)
I don`t know anything about the Osaka one, but there were a LOT of issues with the Tokyo one. Was it started as and intended to block people from riding on the trains? No - but that is what it ended up doing. Eikaiwa teachers who wanted to get dead drunk and party apparently ruined the whole thing.
I wish I could find the Japanese thread that I read elsewhere about it back right after it happened, but there were quite a few stories of people being flat out accosted and shoved out of the cars. That big drunk guys would let the cute girls on, and shove the businessmen away from the doors, etc. There were also a lot of talk about groping getting way out of hand, and just general misbehaving and tearing up of the trains by people who thought it was hilarious that they had "gaijin power" and that the train operators couldn`t really do much to them.

The following year there were protests. This did not surprise me.

I think there were issues with the Osaka one, but it was more about overcrowding than anything malicious. And they were riding the loop for hours for only a couple hundred yen. Again, I am not endorsing it, I just felt (from what I had seen and read) that it was intended to be in good fun and to create some sort of Halloween tradition for foreigners living in Osaka.

It is a holiday I missed when I lived in Japan, so I can respect that level of having fun and following the "friskiness" of the holiday.

If things got over-the-top in Tokyo (or Osaka) it does not surprise me. What you describe, Nyororin, is deplorable, and people that would shove people off train cars should be arrested and detained.

Nyororin 09-02-2010 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 827124)
If things got over-the-top in Tokyo (or Osaka) it does not surprise me. What you describe, Nyororin, is deplorable, and people that would shove people off train cars should be arrested and detained.

I wasn`t actually there, but I tend to believe the videos taken from the Japanese side and the talk of it in places that aren`t typically the type of place you`d expect. A lot of the complaints I read were on the Benesse mothers board - mothers would talk about how they or their husbands got home late or super stressed because they had to wait for another train or were shoved around. From what I understood, maybe the official party "ended" after an hour or so, but they would stay - often filling multiple cars - until the last train.

It is really something that shouldn`t have been started in the first place, in my opinion. If you want to do a party, do it in a park or something - not on public transportation to annoy tons of people who just want to get from point A to point B.

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In an attempt to find the thread from 2008 - I found a post by a young woman who had to go to rescue her grandmother because she was forcibly picked up and dropped outside the train and told "くそばば帰れ!" by a group of white guys in pirate hats, one of them without pants on. The woman`s bag was dropped in the train, so she had no money and was too scared to get back on the train. (A follow-up said they did get her bag back - it was tossed out at the next station and was turned in by someone.) She was wanting support and to know whether it was a good idea to try to contact embassies about it.

Deplorable is a nice way to describe it. The 2008 party was apparently true and total chaos.

MMM 09-02-2010 08:35 AM

I am in complete agreement with you Nyororin. Some of this comes from ALTs just out of college who are not yet ready to go from "playground" to the real world. College is a playground, and ALTs (yours truly included) went straight from college to Japan. I'd like to think that I was more mature and respectful than the people that participated in these activities, but I am not going to get on too high a high-horse.

bELyVIS 09-02-2010 10:20 AM

I was always invited to the Osaka train party by a friend who loved it, but always refused to go. We Gaijin have enough problems without making us look like a bunch of drunken out of control fools.

Qayin 09-02-2010 11:04 AM

Xenophobia is a very normal thing in this planet. I don't say that it's a good thing, but everybody tend to have some fear about who is different than themself. Every country has both left and right wing.

About what Ronin4hire said, ehh... That's quite weird. Why the Japanese let the North Korean set that school up in the first place? Given that Japan is one of the closet nation to the USA.

North Korean funded school in the country that host American GIs!? How could I believe it?

Sangetsu 09-02-2010 02:43 PM

There have been a great deal of nationalist demonstrations lately, even more than what used to occur. Daily you can see the black speaker vans painted with the Emperor's chrysanthemum seal crawling down the main roads blaring out old wartime and patriotic music.

Last month the demonstrations were more active because of the anniversary of the end of the war. Long convoys of these speaker trucks traveled to the major train stations around the city, and the nationalists climbed up on top and gave long, ranting speeches. These men wore home-made military uniforms with the flag of Japan on one shoulder and the Nazi swastika on the other.

For the most part these demonstrations are completely ignored by the people. No one (and I mean no one) stops to stand and listen. Occasionally an older man or two (old enough to remember similar kinds of demonstrations before the war) will stop and hurl insults at the demonstrators and then stand there as if daring them to do something. But the demonstrators ignore all detractors in the same way that everyone seems to ignore them.

The issues the demonstrators hate are the US military forces stationed in Japan, the dropping of the atomic bombs, the increasing number of foreign workers who work in Japan (these demonstrations are frequently held in front of the immigration office in Shinagawa), the "corrupting influence of Western culture" and Japan's lack of it's own military to defend it's people. They also protest the corruption in the government, etc. etc.

Most of the demonstrators are poorly educated working-class men; truck drivers and menial laborers, but there is a healthy mix of gangsters mixed in to make things interesting. Some of the new vans which they drive around for are paid for by the gangsters. The gangsters in Japan are labeled as "anti-social forces", and share a common bone to pick with the nationalists.

It's a nutty situation, but much less disruptive than the riots which used to occur frequently in front of the capitol in past decades.

JasonTakeshi 09-02-2010 04:27 PM

brb gonna troll 2ch

proxy ftw

Nyororin 09-02-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi (Post 827169)
brb gonna troll 2ch

proxy ftw

2ch isn`t 4ch. You could probably post your address and not have anyone come to bother you.

People just use it to communicate with each other, and to arrange for events. Trolling it is just pointless.

siokan 09-02-2010 08:27 PM

Writing politics and the racial issue decreases rapidly when the Kr domain is intercepted as for 2ch.

Make and spread a virus software and then the anti-virus software.kenkyushaLegends();

cranks 09-03-2010 01:25 AM

I always wanted to see the faces of these ネット右翼 for the longest time, and ....

muhahahahahaha

He seems rather harmless to me. What did he do? yelling at Korean primary school students? Wow, he's a HARD CORE far right racist lol


Can he be lamer than that?

JasonTakeshi 09-03-2010 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 827173)
2ch isn`t 4ch. You could probably post your address and not have anyone come to bother you.

People just use it to communicate with each other, and to arrange for events. Trolling it is just pointless.

I fail to express sarcasm.

Sorry.


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